To those that have a problem with SS or TNG

I wanted to address the following people and get this out in the open and done and dealt with. Since these people obviouslyh ave a problem, lets settle it. CHIPS - You obviously think that what people create first doesn´t matter. Most people would disagree with you. Something can only be created once, then the rest are copies. Also in one of locked posts you accuse reynenmod of NOT coming out with stuff first, YET YOU FAIL TO SUBMIT PROOF OF WHO CAME OUT WITH IT FIRST AND THE DATE IT CAME OUT. --------------------------------------------------------- DOWNWINF_THEIF If you took one second to consider what you have done to everyone who has kindly helped or upported your mod you would have added a big disclaimer saying that they do not have any connection to Starfyre other than that they contributed modified code freely. You mention there was a disclaimer, it obviously didn´t point out many things when read or else MS would have left the brilliant modders of this community alone.... So you are saying this ONLY applies to us? I don´t see other modders doing this. Is this in rebalance mod, rebalance mod, or ANY OTHER MOD for that matter? If so please show it to me. I´m sure AFTER THIS it will be, but as of right now they don´t have it. Also how was I suppose to know MS would go after people in the readme, am I NOT suppose to give credit to people? Would you react the same to any other mod, or is this just personal spite against me. The fact that you are labelling other people to effectively take them down with you shows that you MUST have been doing wrong to turn your back on an entire community because of what MS has done completely unrelated to the community other than being the owner of said software... Who am I labelling to take them down. People accuse us of doing stuff and I am pointed to people who have already done it. People never flamed them about it, so why are they flaming others. Are we to be held to double standards then the rest of the modding community? Like so many people have said, best thing for Starfyre to do is wipe the tears from their eyes, stop all their copyright nonsense and defending of their actions and plead forgiveness. If it doesn´t save you, you might have gotten MS off the backs of the others you pulled into this like the selfish children you, mainly Reynen, are acting like.... You should also stop squeeling about Reynenmod, it may have been the first major mod but you never tried to copyright it so stop comparing them to each other. You say you didn´t have anything to do with the store selling merchandise but if you indeed took materials without permission you prolly did but deny it. The biggest thing about TNG was that you essentially REMOVED their game from its own world and placed in your own. My advice try to start your own game developer and make your own space game with TNG in mind... keep everything original and who knows, maybe MS will buy you and get you onto bigger and better things? 1: I take a HUGE offense to this statement here. <b>You say you didn´t have anything to do with the store selling merchandise but if you indeed took materials without permission you prolly did but deny it. </b> That is borderline libel right there. You are DIRECTLY accusing us of conspiracy, illegal merchandising, and selling copyrighted material. We were aware the company was selling that HOWEVER, that was NOT OUT COMPANY, and we DID NOT RECEIVE ANY MONEY. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT OTHER COMPANIES DO. The only reason I mentioned reynenmod was because people said we were copying other mods when we actually came up with the stuff. When people are accused of copying they often provide proof of their original creations yes? If some company claimed they had an OS before WIN 95, and that WIN95 was a copy of their OS, Microsoft would break out windows 3.1 as proof of concept would they not. As far as your statement here, <b>The biggest thing about TNG was that you essentially REMOVED their game from its own world and placed in your own. </b> And we are the only one to do this? This would also apply to Rebalance mod, Hostile Universe, Grrsk Mod, Starwars mod, and soon to be NEW UNIVERSE along with ANY OTHER MOD. I fail to see your reasoning, or are you saying the others are exempt and this only applies to us? Lastly <b>My advice try to start your own game developer and make your own space game with TNG in mind... keep everything original and who knows, maybe MS will buy you and get you onto bigger and better things </b> Microsft already patented their game engine, anyone who comes up with ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO FREELANCER will be sued out of existance. MS will do anything to keep the compeition at bay and NO STARTUP SOFTWARE COMPANY CAN DEFEND THIERSELVED IN A PROTRACTED LEGAL BATTLE ADN WHEN THEY WITHDRAW BECAUSE OF LACK OF FUNDS, MS AUTOMATICALLY WINS. <b>JUSTICE IN AMERICA IS DETERMINED BY HOW MUCH YOU HAVE FOR LEGAL FEES AND HOW LONG YOU CAN STAY IN COURT, THE LAST ONE THERE WINS </b> <b>Reynen Starfyre Project Leader: <A href=´http://www.planetirg.net/´ Target=_Blank>Starfyre Studios</a> Freelancer: The Next Generation </b> Edited by - Reynen on 06-10-2003 23:54:59

I wish there was a way to force people to read your post and not just skip it to get right to dealing with duplicate issues that are answered in the post. Stinger: Sorry I do this to stress my points. I´m sure your eyes catch the bold parts, which is what I intended. At least you don´t do what most do and not even read my posts and just skip right to the ignorant flaming and repeat the same accusations and questions that are already answered / dealt with in the post above. --------------------------------------------------------- demouser: Man good example of what I said above...I´m going to try not to explode on you since you obviously: 1: Can´t read, OR 2: Don´t understood what was wrote. HOW IS TNG AGAINST SHARING? I have told people they could use what we create AS LONG AS THEY GIVE CREDIT. Some people refuse to do so. Those that do I have a problem with them using our stuff since they tend to claim it as their own. <b>BY TRYING TO COPYRIGHT OUR WORK, IF SOMEONE USED IT WITHOUT PERMISSION WE COULD FORCE THEM TO GIVE US CREDIT FOR THE CREATION OF IT. ALSO IF SOMEONE STOLE OUR WORK AND CLAIMED IT AS THEIRS WE WOULD HAVE PROOF OF THE CREATION OF IT. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON, WE GOT TIRED OF EVERYONE STEALING OUR STUFF AND NOT GIVING CREDIT, CLAIMING IT AS THEIR OWN, THEN TUNING AROUND AND CLAIMING WE STOLE THE MATERIAL. </b> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arx-Extreme Apparently another person who did no bother to read the post above since this question is already answered. We´ll it´s certainly clear you have never worked for months on something and then had someone steal it, then claim it as their own now have you. People who steal your work often try and profit from it. How would you like if someone did that to you? Would you be happy if someone was profitting off your hard work? Oh thats right IT DOESN&quot;T MATTER TO YOU. <b>Also YES I AM REPEATING THE SAME THINGS SO PEOPLE WILL GET IT THROUGH THEIR #$%#%$#$ THICK SKULLS AND QUIT ACCUSING / ASKING ABOUT THE SAME DAMN THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN DIFFERENT POSTS. IT SEEMS MANY PEOPLE ARE ON HERE ARE LIKE CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM &quot;NO&quot; 1000 TIMES BEFORE THEY HEAR IT ONCE. </b> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chips Thank you for the apology, but actually Reynenmod was the first mod to make all the battleships, cruisers, and gunboats flyable. The ONLY stranglehold I wanted was that I would be able to force the people who steal our stuff to give us credit for what we created and not claim it for themselves. Now onto your points... <b><i>Utter........well - put best - one of YOUR OWN TEAM stated that if someone made/found out how to do something first, and then someone else busted their ass to work it out, then at that point they don´t have to give credit due to figuring this out. My point- hell - i made all capships flyable by myself from looking at the files and finding what was different. Then days of fiddling yielded the results. Many other modders also manage to do this, but you wish to make us all pay homage or something? Forget it. </i> </b> I love playing with people´s logic it´s so fun. So lets use the following situation. 1: Microsoft windows 95 is already out for awhile. 2: Someone creates a duplicate windows 95 all on their own. 3: While creating the new os the actual windows 95 os was out there, there is a possibiliy that they can look at it, take it apart and use it to create thier own program, yes? Since W95 is already out there the maker of the new os has a TEMPLATE to work off of that was already created. IT THEREFORE IS A COPY. Lets look at your situation now: 1: Are you telling me YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OR SEEN OF THE IDEA OF CAPITAL SHIPS BEING USED BY PLAYERS IN ANY OTHER MOD BEFORE. You youself said you knew of TNG in august, THAT QUALIFIES AS PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF A WORKING TEMPLATE TO BASE YOUR CREATION OF OFF. The ONLY way what you said would apply would be if you have NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE of what you were trying to create. That is what the term ORIGINAL CREATION stands for, THE FIRST ONE IN EXISTANCE. So to answer your question, YES, since we developed the first flyable cap ships that PEOPLE LEARNED HOW TO DO IT BY COPYING WHAT WE DID. I would liek to see a simple credit like, <b>&quot;Flyable capital ships based of the original creation by reynenmod, (or TNG is you copied it from that.)&quot; </b> I don´t think thats too much to ask now is it. It´s the people like yourself who REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE that really piss me off. I BET YOU WOULD CLAIM YOU CREATED THOSE CAP SHIPS YOURSELF NOW WOULDN´T YOU. -------------------------------------------------------- <b><i>You now have stated that you created the capship beam weapons - i still don´t see YOUR name on the mod for beam weapons which was available ages ago.... I think we are talking about different beams here....(ie - you = capship, me = first beam weapon mod made available) </i> </b> We created CAP BEAM WEAPONS and REGULAR BEAM WEAPONS FOR FIGHTERS in reynenmod. The beam mod came after reynenmod therefore the creator already have prior knowledge that it had been done. <b>THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST AN IDEA AND MAKING THE IDEA A REALITY. Look at history. Someone else actually gave edison the idea of the incandecent lightbulb, but he actually created it. Who is actually credited with creating it? Thomas Edison. </b> -------------------------------------------------------- <b><i>3. docking - The method you use right now comes from Wanderer if i am not mistaken, with the use of JUMPS - well, i read that post from Duriel about using Berths, but figured it out myself after that and the fiasco about then being able to dock anywhere. I am more than happy, and have done in my posts, to point out wanderers discovery there. Cinematics are in the game depending on a few lines you put in. Its not that you guys made anything new there. </i> </b> Actually it uses something different. We had to MODIFY THE HARDPOINTS ON STATIONS, IN ORDER TO GET OUR STUFF TO WORK. You find out the facts before just assuming stuff. Wanderer - Created the first ability for cap ships to dock, though major problems, CAPITAL SHIPS GOT STUCK IN DOCKING CINEMATIC MODE AND FRELANCER FROZE. Reynenmod - Station Docking rings were added to to fix wanderers problems. TNG - Capital ships can dock WITHOUT freezing at the docking cinematic scene, station docking rings were removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <b><i>Now there are many other mods inside TNG, and by copyrighting your TNG mod as a whole you could have strangled off the community from many mods. You weren´t saying what you were copyrighting at all - in fact, i like everyone else had no idea, and the first we would have known was when you were attacking us all with threats about it. </i> </b> Ok I am going to be blunt here cause I can´t belive you said this. ARE YOU BLIND OR JUST PLAIN STUPID? I already have listed what I planed to copyright in many other posts, I WOULD NOT AND COULD NOT COPYRIGHT THE ENTIRE MOD. END OF DISCUSSION THERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ <b><i>You learnt stuff here from others.......but you then refuse to share anything new with newer members. Instead you come and moan about people ´lifting´ stuff from your mods. Well - lets hear it then........what exactly do you say the steal? New weapons? anyone can make them - check out thread dates and authors yourself. New ships - anyone can put them in if they have models. converting ships? We can all do that. New mountable equipment? Anyone can put them in too - its easy to figure out. You seem to think that if anyone thinks of these very simple and basic ideas, that they are stealing from you?! Not correct. </i> </b> Well then following your logic I think i´ll just copy all the stuff you create from now since it deosnt matter who creates it first. Any ideas you come up with I will be sure put them in game before you, oh and claim I created it. Of course this won´t bother you, right? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ <b><i>I have built a mod of considerable size now, and never looked in any ini files for other mods. I learnt, through tutorials, but MAINLY through trial and error, with a heck of alot of experimentation. </i> </b> <b>AHHHH now we have hit something substantial!!!! From the sound of it, it seems YOU FEEL YOU HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON WHAT YOU CREATED. Or am I mistaken. Now if you can imagine it, HOW DID YOU THIK I FELT WHEN I CREATED REYNENMOD??? </b> There were no mods to go off of and tutorials were VERY limited. I have written several myself since then. I worked very hard to create that. Now how would YOU feel if someone just took all your hard work and put it into there mod WITHOUT EVEN ASKING YOU, and CLAIMED THEY CREATED IT. Knowing that you spent MANY MANY hours developing that, how would you feel. to seen someone just steal it and claim it as their own in just a few hours? See where I am coming from now? Most people don´t until it happens to them. <b>Do you know what it is like to see a person die in front of you after you kill them? Most people don´t until it happens. For the rest they can only imagine, because they don´t KNOW. A bit morbid above but it demonstrates my point. </b> I´m tired now, I´m not even going to bother with the rest. <b>Reynen Starfyre Project Leader: <A href=´http://www.planetirg.net/´ Target=_Blank>Starfyre Studios</a> Freelancer: The Next Generation </b> Edited by - Reynen on 07-10-2003 01:56:57

Did I ever say no one could make this stuff? DID I EVER ****ING SAY NO ONE COUL USE ANY FO THE STUFF WE CREATED. No i did not. PLEASE QUOTE THE PARAGRAPH THAT I SAID IT IN. If they want to copy what we have done, THAT IS FINE. ALL WE ASK IS THAT WE GET CREDIT FOR THE ORIGINAL CREATION OF THESE. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!!! Why the hell did you make an apology when you starting up another fire, so just quit while you are ahead. You putting words in my mouth that I have never said. DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAD THE LAST #$%#%$ WORD JUST TO START TROUBLE, MAN YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS EGO PROBLEMS. <b>Nice how you changed your post AFTER I posted this. Are you feeling a bit like an idiot?! Do you see me bragging about what a mod-god I am or anything like that?!?! If I really wanted to I ahve my own little cult of follwers that I could have come on here and flame the hell out of you, BUT DO IT DO THAT? NO&lt; I AM MAN ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF PROBLEMS MYSELF. </b> This is what was posted before he removed it: Oh - just to clarify, that no-one else can make more of their own house weapons cause you claim it, or weapons in general,no-one else can make more than one capship flyable cause you did it, no-one else can dock cause you did it(people - just put phantom_physics = true below the object entry in the solararch.ini file for docking rings to get round REYNENS docking ring fix - you can fly through no probs) unless you are claiming the increase in distance to docking instead, but no chance there - oh, by the way, that works for any object, your ship, weapons, stations, asteroids.........easiest way - in every entry for your ship in the shiparch.ini file - including collision boxes (not the simples though) and you will fly through anything at all - helps with docking. Where were we, oh - no beam weapons, no new ships, no new mountable items either as you cliam all that too........what else are you going to say we cannot use without your permission, cause i didn´t even know of any other modding activites when i found out most of my modding stuff. I never heard of TNG till August! <b>Reynen Starfyre Project Leader: <A href=´http://www.planetirg.net/´ Target=_Blank>Starfyre Studios</a> Freelancer: The Next Generation </b> Edited by - Reynen on 07-10-2003 01:57:11

Alright then. Lets make this perfectly clear to everyone. NO MODDER OWNS RIGHT TO ANYTHING THEY CREATE. IT IS USEABLE BY ANYONE, FOR ANYTHING WITH OR WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION. NO CREDIT IS NEEDED NOR WILL BE GIVEN DUE TO LIABILITY IN GIVING CREDIT. THE MODDING COMMUNITY WHOLE-HEARTLY CONDONES AND SUPPORTS STEALING OF OTHER WORKS WITHOUT COMPENSATION OF CREDIT, AND ANYONE MAY TRY AND PROFIT OFF ANYONE WORK AT ANY GIVEN TIME. Sound ok? <b>Reynen Starfyre Project Leader: <A href=´http://www.planetirg.net/´ Target=_Blank>Starfyre Studios</a> Freelancer: The Next Generation </b>

This is not a flame. The reason I did the above all in caps is fairly simple. 1: it makes it easy to read and there can be no mistaking what is said. 2: the caps are also meant to give it a legal / type finality to it. More pshcology based then anything else. Lastly you guys do realize that I have not been angry in alot of this stuff and purposely made my statements the way they are so that it would get people riled up and thinking about what is going on, and then later on when they are cooled down will think logically about it - re-read my posts - and see the logic if it. Think about it, what gets you upset generally stays on your mind alot longer then something that you like because of the sense of injustice. Natural reaction. There is no better crowd to manipulate then gamers on a common cause because they all get single minded and are rattled easily. I rather enjoyed it for a bit, now I´m a bit bored and tired and think I will let the dust settle so people can re-examing everything. I´m sure many of you are feeling a bit confused / shocked / and especially angry, but that is exactly what I want you to be. So it worked out rather well. Sorry to do this but I think at this point I´ve seperated the people who really don´t care and the peopel who do care about what happens. People´s true natures were also exposed, some of which I was very sad about....but...you have to expect the unexpected. Like they say, your true friends stay to help fight the fire, the rest run. To set the record straight, the manipulation was aimed at finding out where the modding community stood. We needed to know if we were going to fight it. Would you go to court if you knew only 2% of the people were supporting you. At this point we have very little support both in terms of people and money. We would not and could not fight this. I´ll not be argueing anymore. And I´ll answer your question the best way i can Chips on the other thread. Now once everyone calms down can we think of a solution on how to solve this current situation? <b>Reynen Starfyre Project Leader: <A href=´http://www.planetirg.net/´ Target=_Blank>Starfyre Studios</a> Freelancer: The Next Generation </b> Edited by - Reynen on 07-10-2003 06:38:00