Well, since I didn´t get to have an opinion in time

@FD <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>To gromit, and others, your replies and posts are noted, but a reply/reponce to them is not alway needed. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Ar

It would be quite interesting to find out how the thread was deleted and by whom. I was actually trying to post in it when it was deleted. The reasons for leaving are out numbering the reasons for staying. I for one still play Freelancer so I come here because of that and hopes to feed my addiction but it’s like all the good stuff was taken out and I am now on placeboes (sugar pills). So, I don’t know. What should we do? Maybe we could fix it instead of complaining, I’d hate to see the site die. I’ll see what I can come up with on interesting discussion posts. I’ll try not to make it too weak but really deep and juicy maybe. Just to see what happens, then make a decision. &quot;On this ship you are to refer to me as Idiot, not you Captain. I mean... you know what I mean.&quot;

Spooky.... The thread seemed to be going okay, but little things, like the deletion of Taw´s post have weirded me out slightly. I´d really like whoever deleted it to come forward and tell us. Only Mods and the thread creators could have deleted that, and if some moderators are unaware of what´s been going on, then there´s something wrong with TLR.

well, Esky, put me up on the list of innocents, I was rather liking the thread, and it finally turned for the better, with many of the people reacting to each other, that were not out of anger or enraged. Im seriosuly angry at whoever did it, don´t you see that by doing this you are in effect proving all those criticists right?? I hope whoever did it, reconsiders to post it in here, and has the guts to take the opinions against him, as fact!!

Ok now the thread is back,i am confused

S´not the same thread, the one that got deleted had something about tumbleweed in the title.

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>This means that logically, it was one of the other 7 active moderators, and I feel confident that I can drop more than half of those. As I have said, the noose is tightening. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> This is not constructive at the moment. The tone in which people are currently posting does not signify that this is being pursued this vigorously for reasons of openness and honesty - but more vitriolic vilification towards an individuals character. I remember this is something that some members purported this to be abhorrent behaviour indeed. Pray, what if someone owned up? If someone did indeed post claiming responsiblity - what then? Would you be satisfied with their claims of reasoning at all - or would you simply accept an apology perhaps? Or would you question their motives, call their character into question, deconstruct their reasoning with defamatory statements and attempt to locate an alternative agenda? Simply put - if people are targeting a specific individuals with whom they hold personal grudges or dislikes - then how can you claim your objectives are without an ulterior motive? I imagine strongly that if one certain person claimed responsiblity that you would bring out the pitch forks and scaffolding. What if I claimed it was me? Are you telling me that you wouldn´t be disappointed that your target is not whom you wished for? If any of you had a ´disappointment´ at all, then your purpose and reasoning for seeking out the ´truth´ is not clearly defined within acceptable parameters. As it stands, we are a team of people who attempt to do our best. We try to be fair to both older members, and newer members alike - without favouritism towards any particular party. A simple ´one person´ is just not plain true, as we all operate with the same objectives in mind. Sometimes we make mistakes, sometimes we make lots of mistakes, sometimes we just plain cock up. We also sometimes weather on through being emasculated for what would appear to be public enjoyment and belittlement. At times, our feelings may cloud our judgements and reactions to situations - that only proves we are human. So if someone made an honest judgement error, or if someone actually deleted it believing the topic to be widly unproductive/unconstructive - what would be your response to their claiming of responsiblity? Lets face it, if your posting with glee, anticipating the ´catch´ of a moderator - whereby you will undertake character assassination - then you are posting for very <i>wrong </i> reasons. If its to give people a target to which they can point and blame - then that is all of us.

if the moderator who deleted it <i>did </i> admit to it, who in the right mind would not accept the apology? i mean, for someone to just straight say they did it/ tell why/apologise, it would be horrid for someone to just get mad.

I agree, I think that most of us here are mature enough to tak e an apology and explination and leave it at that. If that is not the case, then I have misjudged the TLR community very poorly. &quot;On this ship you are to refer to me as Idiot, not you Captain. I mean... you know what I mean.&quot;

True wolfy. Vigilanty Justice, went out with the old west. But, question is, would people move on with life at that point. No good answer on that one. My coment of does it mater no, is still true. No, it does not mater. I don´t live my life, post in the forum or anything else based on what someone did, or didn´t do, or weather they apoliogise or not. I truly would love to see, things setle down again, a bit of peace restored. The only thing standing in the way, is those who won´t let it go. Peace is a hard to achive thing, and precious when it is. I hate to see any chance of it coming back, to fail due to a desire for Justice. There are those in the US that throw a phrase around. No Justice, No Peace. It is rotten to the very core. It is like the matial arts type, Name escapes me, where you use a persons momentum against him. No fighting back, but a guiding of the force in another direction. Eventually, the person tires themself out. Nuff said. *Climbs off soap box* and *Shakes head*

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I truly would love to see, things setle down again, a bit of peace restored <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> So you have to solve the problem, no ? And the person who deleted the thread is *contributing* to the problem. So to solve the problem, we need to know who and why they deleted the thread ...

I think Michael Jackson did it. Let me know when the lynch mob gets tired of holding the torches in the air like a KKK convention. Hippo-crits on both sides of this fence.

No, Michael Jackson did do it. Damn mutants... a life lesson: Never trust anyone who can´t keep their own nose stuck to their face.

i second that, esq

Frankly I don´t give two hoots about who did it or why anymore. Staff work as a team. They make sites work as they do. They represent image and ideals. A mistake by any staff members gives a bad image to the whole innocent or not. A manager is evaluated how an event is handled. If everybody have responsibility, there would be no paperwork in the world. @Esq: I have to say that there is not much point to be debated even if we do know why and who did it. It´s their call. If they choose to hide the truth, they might have their reasons. Let it go mate.

Sorry I haven´t been on TLR for a while for reasons that are my own and this thread has been brought to my attention. Just so ya´ll know I didn´t delete it, it´s never been my policy to delete threads unless they are pure acts of spam.

Regardless of who is right or wrong in all of this, and it goes beyond just this one thread, everyone needs to take a step back and take a breath for a minute. I have read things from both sides of this whole issue that just weren´t right. Neither side is without some measure of guilt to one degree or another. The fact remains though, there are still well over a thousand people that still come to this site for Freelancer news, mods and so forth. Many of these people have splintered off into subcommunities of there own, whether that be a server community, or a mod community, but they all hold one common bond, and that is this website. They may not visit the forums as much as others, I am one of these people, but there are a great many people that you don´t see on the forums that are just as much a part of the Freelancer community as anyone else, and without this website, the Freelancer community would surely die. I am not taking any side in this whole issue here, I just want everyone to think about this before they continue blasting away at people from the other side. It may just appear that the Moderators and Off Topic community are at odds here, but the entire Freelancer community, that still does play the game, is caught in the middle. Whenever I come across a forum adminstration that I can´t get along with, I just move along until I find one that I can. I personally haven´t had an issue with the admins and moderators here, but I don´t post here much either, so I am sure some people have legitimate complaints. Regardless though, the admins and moderators do run this website, so it is their decision to manage it how they see fit. You can say that they run it badly, disagree with the site´s direction, or whatever, but it is still their site to run. I manage a forum for a major mod studio, and I know there are people that don´t like me either. It comes with the territory. In the end though, either you are going to get along with the moderators or you´re not. If you´re not than please go on somewhere and don´t try to wreck the site for the ones that do enjoy it. If you don´t like the site anymore, than don´t contribute to it, it is that simple. Just say goodbye, let your friends know where you´ll be, and go in peace. That way the people that still come here for Freelancer will still have a site to come to.