Au revoir

*ERGH* Ack, dear god... now i really have something to, nevermind... Sorry to see you go old chum, been good having you here,same with you freighter. Personally, and ive said it before, i believe the problem may lie in the sheer number of moderators that have been appointed (some COMPLETELY out of the blue) in recent times. bringing us to a total of *checks* 19... nineteen people moderating forums, at least 40% of which are useless at best (the mod group forums for example, Pathfinder now has 2 forums, one here, and one on the site itself. it would be easier (and more respectful) for the mod leaders to just get a free forum and have a link from some sort of ´master´ modgroups forum here), could cause problems. for example, if i may refer to the recent (if it could be called that) mod appointment history. First i remember was Chips, and it had been long rumoured that he was going to become a mod, so no surprises there, and a great mod he is too... following that by a few months, was finalday, also rumoured and favoured by the community, so also no surprises. now, no less than 1 and no more than 2 months later, we saw the rapid appointment of no less than THREE moderators: Gowerspaul, Parabolix, and sycho_warrior. and glock36 if i am not mistaken. These three appointments, at least for me (did i miss some huge mod discussion on here that was subsequently hidden?) came as a complete shock. Gowerspaul was, as afar as i could tell, precaclulated. but Para and sycho however... Parabolix, to be honest, i hardly knew, but i made the assumption that the mods knew what they were doing and knew him better than i did before i arrived. sycho, on the other hand, i witnessed the arrival of, and saw exactly the same amount of as the admins and mods on the site, which totals now about 6-8 months. MONTHS! i do not see how any one person could rise that fast in any sort of heirachy, mustang, i think, took about 2-3 years to get to moderatorship. I recall an old idea that Ss had, about ´SWAT mods´ that had limited power. i thought, at the time, and now that it is a good idea. because it seems now that the administrators want more patrols. i think it would be a better idea to appint a few lower-level SWAT mods to hang around (Regulars, like Freighter, wolfy, esq, etc...) and report stuff, than to hastily appoint a large number of moderators that have almost unlimited power. power, inevitably, leads to abuse. But, just my two cents. honestly, this place is not the place i used to call home. and i am honestly saddened by it, to see such a grand place fall. but in the fullness of time, i hope that we can repair it, with the upcoming AoE release and the new forum desings (do we have any DEFENITE release date yet?) we might have a chance. JMHO

why do people that are leaving something always have a big speech........

Quite dramatic <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> A shame when people feel they need to ´leave´ a community, in protest over something they don´t agree with. Part of what makes TLR a good place to ´lurk´ and ´contribute´ for me, is the sheer number of different members. The Fan Fic forums (both FL and Non-FL) are mainly the forums I keep tabs on, but I do occasionally browse the others. In a rambly kinda of way, I´m trying to say that at the end of the day, we´re all different and forums aren´t often the best means of communicating our thoughts / opinions. Thus, my rule of thumb is to avoid taking anything personally - why stress? We have enough stress in our regular lives without adding more from a hobby that´s meant to give us some light relief! Take it easy! <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> *virtual hugs all round* ttfn

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>why do people that are leaving something always have a big speech........ <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> good point well put...so I´ll break the habit.... ...nice knowing you all. Hope everything works out for the place. Take care. Cya.

i feel so betrayed, esq...<img src=smilies/icon_smile_sad.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

Arania, I understand where you are coming from...I know it seems like...I´m not sure the word im trying to find...but I guess overwhelming will have to do...I guess it seems overwhelming to have 19 moderators (if your count is right, i dont feel like counting <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>) but a couple of things...First off, many are not active, second off, some that are &quot;active&quot; arent exactly around a whole lot...and finally, and most importantly, it is not like any rules changed when the new moderators were added...I know that i tried to stay and lenient as possible and not have personal issues with any members and that Gowserpaul was very lenient and mature especially for his age. Each person was made a moderator for a reason, I know it may seem like there are too many, but it wouldnt seem like there were many if people didnt complain about it...or if there werent rampant spammers and gravediggers that force the moderators to lock threads...then it makes the community as a whole look bad...anyway thats my spiele (sp? <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>)

So what will it take to make you all happy? I personally would like to put all this type of discussion to rest so that I can concentrate on working on the site and not have to spend the time trying to satisfy everyone. And I´m fairly sure that everyone else does too... Eraser does I know (it´s making him upset to the point that it´s affecting his normally excellent good nature)... Tell me exactly what you want... Do you want an un-moderated Forum? What is it going to take to end this nightmare so I can get back to what I consider normal...for me anyway...what is it you´re looking for?

im taking a huge step forward despite my lack of participation in all the other angst threads. i think what everyone generally wants is liniency (sp?) in moderating. when everyone could voice their opinions. not to extremes of course. but only those extremes. just those should be kept away. leaving the rest open to discussion. personally, i´d like a revision of the rules of the forum, just these two: no gravedigging, no repetition of topics. imho, gravedigging should be a no no, and repetition of topics should be allowed.

&lt;---- agrees with kimk on this <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> thats a great idea...a revision of the rules and regs <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> and a little slack in moderation. good wording kimk <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> &quot;To live is to die....but living is to die slowly..why waste time on trivial things just play as hard as you can&quot;

I think there should be a forum which is almost totally unmoderated. It should have all the necessary warnings, like &quot;adult content, language may be used in this forum&quot;. If members want to take potshots at each other then do so in this specific &quot;Anything Goes&quot; forum. No holds barred. And thus, should be unmoderated. But reasonable moderation should be maintained in other forums. Freelancer is still a game and as such, minors (lol definition of a minor?) are likely to come across this site looking for information. Deleting threads and member responses should be the ultimate, final, final resort. An alternative might be to move the thread if it´s inflammatory to the &quot;Anything Goes&quot; forum ! Just a suggestion <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> *still giving virtual hugs to everyone* <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ttfn

@Esq, welcome to the lurking side. bp : Maybe you should distribute the power a bit. Who is running this site? Two people? Maybe have ONE site editor, a big cheese. Then a news editor, a site maintainer, content creator, community representative, staff

/ I Agree with Arcon. (wasn´t there a sticker for that <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ) TLR started going crazy once you added mod forums, then came more mods (5 would be fine, but an active 5), and then came DS.

I dont think you can have an unmodded forum here. I was always told the mods modded everything to keep a good rating on the site. So it isnt a garbo site floating around in cyberspace.

Maybe doing away with OT, since this is where the friction is. Other than the &quot;Best Ship&quot; lock or the occation atempts at discussing cloaks, the other forum have little troubles.

DS is fine its not overtaking fl. Jsut say it guys you can only go so long on an FL site when you dont even mod or play FL!!! dont blame it on new boards whaT kind of reason is that to leave? its becasue people are bored. plain and simple. They spent 2 years of their life posting everday in offtopic or other forums on a game they probably havent played and truly enjoyed in at least a couple months.

DOnt remove offtopic that would make more people leave. if they dont play FL anymore chances are they arent in the FL boards posting.