music war-debate

    @archie: shut up man. you´re making me spill my Big M. <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>haha crap without rap. ive got better. the real meaning of rap r.a.p. retards attempting poetry <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

    someone´s a little sensitive... I´d like to ask exactly what is poetic about that? To me, it sounds more like...a string of words randomly thrown together. As opposed to: <i>Come, you spirits that tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here And fill me, from the crown to the toe, top full of direst cruelty! Make thick my blood Stop up th´ access and passage to remorse; That no compunctious visitings of Nature Shake my fell purpose, nor keep peace between the effect and it! Come to my woman´s breasts, And take my milk for gall, you murdering ministers Wherever in your sightless substances You wait on Nature´s mischief! </i> __ <i> Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life´s but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. </i> -- <i>...And when the stars threw down their spears and watered heaven with their tears, Did he smile, his work to see? Did he who made the lamb make thee?... </i> -- <i>How many roads must a man walk down Before you call him a man How many seas must a white dove sail Before she sleeps in the sand How many times must the cannonballs fly Before they are forever banned The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind The answer is blowing in the wind </i> -- <i>When blood will flow When flesh and steel are one Drying in the colours of an evening sun Tomorrow´s rain will wash the stains away But something in our minds will always stay. </i> -- <i>O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done; The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won; The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting, While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring: But O heart! heart! heart! O the bleeding drops of red, Where on the deck my Captain lies, Fallen cold and dead. </i> -- <i>Whose woods these are I think I know His house is in the village, though He will not see me stopping here To watch his woods fill up with snow The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep And miles to go before I sleep And miles to go before I sleep </i> Edited by - Wilde on 3/24/2005 3:27:32 AM

    I´m sad to say i dont have any Rap lyrics to post that i loved, my brother ran off with the CD some years ago so i havent been able to hear it but it was good music. But a rap band (the name i definetly going to screw up on and look like a fool) Run DMC is great, i cant think of much of there bad stuff. And when they p,layed walk this way with arrowsmith that was awesome. What i mean to say is i have heard more good metal then good rap. And trust me if someone tells me a song is good i damn well listen to it so i am not closed minded at all. Heck i even liked borderline country once and thats pretty far for a metal loving ´punk´ as so many people have lovingly called me. ( Examples &quot;Blood on the risers, All american chorus. Der fueher´s face-Spike jones and his city slickers... well thats not so country but i dont know what to call ti but F´ing funny) I mean there have been mainstream and slipping to mainstream bands, Take incubus if there not mainstream there getting there, that i do enjoy. One thing for me that does truly stand out is dark metal, you can get alot of bad stuff from it but some bands there lyrics truly are Poetic peices of wonder. Example: Man and his faithful ethics Intoxicated by the fruits of the earth Diabolical fanatikism, so cold and grim The perfect perversion, bestiality incarnate As instruments of torture And leaving no room for sympathy We bring forth the monstrous birth To the worlds light As all great art is made from suffering So are we Good in nature, but evil by our own free will Incestuously created by the will to kill Time is here to walk the final abyss march Bound to the force of the last holocaust Pour free the gifts of grace And slaughter the entire human race Not permitted to redemption When pain rises high in purgatory A reality so convincingly justified Feeding from Death Cult´s gown We bring forth monstrous birth To the worlds light Now im not a poet or anything but i think that those are some wonderful lyrics that do stand above alot. Edit: Yech wilde, shakespear you´ll all call me uncultured and a young know nothing for this but i cant stand shakespear. the only time he got me to laughw as when he was trying to be sad.i hate his work.... Edited by - DSQrn on 3/24/2005 5:22:02 AM

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    Are we playing the &quot;Post Lyrics Game&quot; then? I´m SO in! &quot;Man I Used to Be&quot; K-Os <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Things that I said I wouldn´t do, I did ´em Secrets below the service of truth I hid ´em This mankind is past, but can he erase The tears of a million years is human race Of animals, that taught to walk upright Then slave all day and fall in a trance at night Flowing the planet, trying to find missing links Like the men we used to be and always suppose to think Mysteries, maybe not It´s getting hot, we better configure the plot, but I hold a pen with the grip so tight That´a squeeze the ink out´ta the page, and write a song for the people Came up from the underground, now I write above on a hovercraft sound This microphone, like an an amphetamine Keeping me clean, speaking in dreams So nature can intervene, just for a scene <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> &quot;The Human´s Race&quot; Sweatshop Union <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Nowadays people don´t talk freely We walk these streets, go home And not be seen, we watch TV alone Then phone in our orders for Chinese delivery Closed in our quarters, so high we forget That we ever knew any better than this And now we swim in the sewage Together in bliss and it’s a sad state of affairs They´re making us scared to even set foot outside our own houses And now it’s like every place I look I see Propaganda from the papers, to the books I read And they´re preparing us for a staged terrorist war So they can centralize the power and have us scared to the core My parents ignored, I guess it’s just too deeply imbedded in their heads That the truth is on TV, So breathe deep and be free of all this Civilized society or whatever you call it Sometimes I get lost in my trips through escapism Vision of a world free from greed, war, racism And isn´t it a gift how I´m free inside They can steal a child’s mind but never rob him of his light And some nights we all fall asleep feeling like hypocrites Say you changed the world but only talked a bit of **** We all quit on ourselves from one point or another Suffer bouts with self doubt as we try to recover But it all starts from thought and talk which leads to action How far can we be pushed, till we respond with reaction? For now I turn my back and all I wanna leave behind This peace of mind is an illusion of the freedom I can´t find <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Granted, it´s not Shakespeare, Longfellow or Whitman but it is poetry. What about &quot;Beat&quot; poetry? You know, Ginsberg and his lot? Where do they figure in all this?

    Edit: Removed sig. Edited by - Stinger on on 12/30/2004 3:43:05 PM

    You idiots proved my point. It´s not a contest to post lyrics of other people <b>Its a freaking contest to see if you can do better than the professionals. i want to see your lyrics, not others. </b> and micahd, stop posting that. i got it the first time. -:- You wanna revolution?

    micahd, enough with the same line over and over. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_disapprove.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Finalday on 3/25/2005 6:06:54 PM

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    ...I used lyrics and poems to convey my point that rap is not poetry. Compare it to Blake and Shakespeare, or even to Bob Dylan. Or Robert Frost. Or even Sting. Shark, it would be useless to ask us to compose a rap song about TLR, simply because rap &quot;poetry&quot; <i>is </i> a simple string of words thrown together and blared at an audience. Whether or not you like that is your own opinion--but you can´t deny it pales in comparison to other poetry...such as Dylan´s, which won a Nobel prize. (By the way, don´t get me wrong here, I loathe Bob Dylan as a musician. But he´s a good poet). Edited by - Wilde on 3/25/2005 7:43:13 PM

    Finalday is right with this. There´s a simple answer to this question. The music you enjyo the most is the best music for you. Many love hip-hop and rap, many love classic rock and roll, many live newer rock and roll, there´s jazz, big band, R&amp;B, or whatever music turns you on. I have no desire to convince anyone that the music I love to hear is right for anyone else. This is my music, I love it, and it´s not important if anyone else likes what I listen to or not. It´s mine to enjoy, and I have no judgment toward anyone who likes music I don´t like. It´s just yabout the enjoment you get from the music you listen to. As for printing out lyrics, we all can do that. There´s so much good music and depth to their songs that there´s no reason to &quot;top&quot; one another. Just enjoy what you like, and keep an open mind on what others like. Music isn´t something to be argued about, and the musicians you all seak of I´m sure agree with this. For now, I´ll leave this thread open, but you guys have left that a bit tough. Stop flaming others for their tastes in music, and open your mind to other music that you may not seem to enjoy, but maybe, just maybe, with an open mind, you´ll hear the quality of what othes enjoy. I´ll be watching this thread, and will close it and delete it if the flaming doesn´t stop.

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    Wilde, all im saying is that it is a form of poetry, while the majority of gangsta is crap, there are some artists that have incredible ability to ´string´ as you say words together and make it flow like is was meant to be. (snoop dogg is a good example, a nice stoned drawl that flows, like water! hehehehe... *sigh* in joke, sorry.) i know it is not like the classic poetry that you read in your schoolbooks, but is is a form of modern poetry, whether you like it or not, it´s there, it takes skill, (which is why i was asking people to try to write a rap about TLR, to see if anyone could beat Evil Eddie or the Beastie Boys) So really, it is there, it is a valid form of poetry, just not in the classical sense. (and you can´t spell classical without ass!) EDIT: bring back another example from before. <i>I´ll give you a dose But it will never come close To the rage built up inside of me Fist in the air, in the land of hypocrisy </i> That is poetry to me. -:- You wanna revolution? Edited by - Love Shark on 3/25/2005 10:35:23 PM

    Dude...Really stop posting virutaly the same thing over. A mod told you to stop, that means stop @LS I would agree that is peotry no doubt. And i´m glad its not poetry in our school books becuase here is the big diff ebtween me and wilde, i hate the stuff. I cant stand shakespear at all, dont get me wrong i do like some classical poetry but alot i dont. Edited by - DSQrn on 3/26/2005 11:53:38 AM

    _______________ i dont suffer fools gladly , in fact i dont suffer them at all

    tsk tsk tsk...uncultred barbarian <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle><img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>(and you can´t spell classical without ass!) <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> you inverted the order of the insult, thus rendering it useless, but all right <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle><img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

    The day has come where someone else sees RATM as poetry............. ...w00t!<img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> -:- You wanna revolution?