Guns that say "Whoosh"

Brilliant! Always full of great ideas, dunno how you think them all up. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

Sounds great, I´d certainly be interested in what you are planning. Can/will it be done as an individual script so that it can be added to existing mods. Buck Rogers Server Admin Colours Elite UK http://www.colourselite.co.uk

The thing is... sound is a very important part of the human experience of playing a game. FL isn´t even remotely a simulator- if it was, then you´d never hear anything other than internal noises (which, let´s be real here... would get old really fast). So we´re talking about a movie-like experience. And sound is a super-big part of that experience, obviously. I dunno about you guys, but that´s probably the biggest difference between watching a movie at the theater and watching it at home. Even when I visit my parents´ house and play a movie on their ridiculously expensive surround-sound rig (they even have huge speaker cabinets in the floor and point sources on the ceiling) it´s not nearly as good as being in a theater with all the volume knobs &quot;set at eleven&quot; <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> As for scripting it... ah... well... erm... maybe, but probably not. The XML Toolkit Mod, to be perfectly honest, already includes a fairly extensively hacked-up set of sound INIs and FX changes- and this next version´s going to include quite a few more (among other things, I´ve figured out how to make FX visible over greater distances, which looks REALLY COOL with things like Thrusters and Flashes). I haven´t really discussed the previous work there very much, because it´s mainly obvious stuff, like boosting the radii for a lot of the bigger ships (so that when players are in Turret Mode and flying Liberty Cruisers, for example, they can still hear the roaring of their drives), and re-mastered sounds for Cruise (personally, I find the default Cruise Engine loops to be entirely too loud and annoying, so I made them much more gentle on the eardrums) and other re-mastered or scratch-built sounds. In the next version, for example, I tweaked the amount of time it takes to enter Cruise (via script), so I also recorded longer Cruise Charging sounds, so that there wouldn´t be an irritating silence at the tail end of that process. Sooooo... while I would be happy to demonstrate how this <i>could </i> be done with just XML by using simple Replace operations, I doubt I´ll do it that way. I have gone out´ve my way not to add <i>new </i> sounds in the Toolkit, but I have played around with sound a lot, and, like the changes I made to the AI, the ShipDealers / Mbases / THNs / Etc., these are deep changes that involve a lot´ve interconnecting INIs, and I usually feel more comfortable doing such things by directly altering the INIs themselves. For a very large set of changes like these, it´s usually more efficient, from a developer´s perspective, and unlike the &quot;tagging&quot; that I put onto the Weapons to make them a lot easier to manipulate via XML scripts, I think I´ll just document this fairly thoroughly so that people actually have a chance to see what I´ve been doing here... and why. The weapons, Thrusters and other &quot;tagged&quot; things were done especially for game developers who wanted an easier way to play with the game-balance of FL (and, one would assume, didn´t like my reworked ramps), but with things like Sound... we´re talking frills here, not essentials. One could remove all of that code from the Toolkit without doing any real harm, if one thinks that my improvements aren´t better than FL´s stock solutions <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

To add to what´s already been said, that is a great idea. Once you´ve got a working mod, maybe we could add a thread in the tutorial forum on how to do that; although, given how you tend to document, I´m sure I could probably figure out how it works by looking at your mod. I´ve got surround on my computer setup here, so I love any doppler-effect wooshing sound. I have become one with my computer. It is a feeling of ecstasy...the perfect blend of logic and emotion. I have reached...Nerdvana!

Well, I have built some code and tested it. IT WORKS <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> There are a few small kinks to work out, but they´re pretty minor, all things considered. The biggest kink is going to be how to deal with shot-sounds vs. &quot;whoosh&quot;... Now I &quot;just&quot; need to come up with some suitable sounds. It´s a little harder than you´d think- whatever it is has to loop perfectly, and sound right. I was going for a high-pitched hissing sound for lasers, but thus far what I have sounds too machinelike and repetitive. And there´s this conflict between the sound as played and the sound of the Flash, which means that one tends to bleed into the other. Gonna think about it awhile... I may just kill the one_shot sounds entirely... that´d be an interesting way of going about it... Here´s the code. Super, super-simple: Audio/Sounds.ini [Sound nickname = laser_shotpass1 file = audiosoundsweaponslaser_shotpass1.wav attenuation = -7 range = 25, 1000 crv_pitch = 15 pitch_bendable = true FX/Effects.ini [Effect nickname = li_laser_01_proj effect_type = EFT_WEAPON_PROJ vis_beam = li_laser_01_beam snd_effect = laser_shotpass1 ...and that´s all there is to it. Note that laser_shotpass1.wav is a file I just made as a test case... now I´ve just gotta come up with some very nicely looping crunchy sounds that will work well for this...

lol good idea chips. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> (Lets hear me scream like a little girl.) Anyway Argh that is really simple and I already knew how to do it in the frist place and forgot about the whole idea. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Thanks for reminding me about it. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> @ chips, I´ve been to uh....WTS France and they have those shadow ships and when you fly near them they sound like a hawk, it was really freaky to me at frist becuase I thought I would get owned by them lol. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> So that nomad thing sounds really interesting....thanks for the idea. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Anyway Argh that is really simple and I already knew how to do it in the frist place and forgot about the whole idea. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> You dont need to scream you sounded like a spoilt little girl right there ROFLMAO <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> +++ out of cheese error - redo from start +++

Where was I screaming? WAS IT ALL IN CAPS? Yea, I don´t really think saying, &quot;I already knew how to do it.&quot; makes me sounds like a girl screming. I just forgot about the whole idea from the past when making new weapons and wanted to try to make custom sounds, but got piled in a few other things. Plus I was also thanksing him for posting this, becuase if he hadn´t I would of never thought of the idea til way later. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> PLus you qoute the worng thing. (One line up. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ) Edited by - Question Asker2044 on 9/14/2005 12:38:31 PM

Maybe you might want to check out the Tutorial parabolix posted back on 11/27/04 <A href=´http://www.lancersreactor.org/t/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=36364&amp;forum_id=29&amp;Topic_Title=%2A%2ATutorial%2A%2A+Making+multi+HpFire+weapons+that+aren%27t+silent&amp;forum_title=Freelancer+Editing+Tutorial+Forum&amp;cat_title=Freelancer+Editing&amp;M=False´ Target=_Blank>**Tutorial** Making multi HpFire weapons that aren´t silent</a>

That´s more-or-less where this idea came from originally- this is just a sub-application of the concept of tieing snd_effects to called FX of various kinds. There are bazillions of possible uses for this concept, ranging from attaching snd_effects to continuousfire and rh_continuoussmoke FX, to making the corpses of ships give off sound effects while tumbling (or whatever their death_fuse calls for) to... my CD-player concept and other stuff <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> And that tutorial, if I recall correctly, came from Accushot taking pity on me when I was trying to get multi-barrel weapons to make sounds for WOS months ago- he´d figured it out for Epsilon Mod and was kind enough to share <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

@ Argh I have 30 years of synthesizer experience and 20 years of sound editing (old man <img src=smilies/icon_smile_sad.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ). If you want some help with new sounds e-mail me.

<img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> yuck scripts, I hate working with those things. It´s pretty easy to make new sounds and Argh is right there is mllions of differnt sounds you can make, hard part is to think of one and the hardest part is to get it to what you want it to sound like. My fav. sound would be when nomad torps hit something near you and you hear that SSSSRRRREEEEECCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHH sound lmao. That would be a cool sound to have for a gun, but then again I think it would get annoying to hear that sound over and over again. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edit: Those Mult. HPguns looks interesting also. Edited by - Question Asker2044 on 9/20/2005 2:05:06 PM

I got a quick question about this guns with the extra HPfire on them, do they fire more then one shot in that gun? What I mean is, if it has 5 HPfire spots on it and it´s damage is like 100, does that mean it does 500 and 250 shield? Becuase if so, then I am making those in my mod, I would love to have a short range shotgun on the ships. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

nvm, my answer to my question is yes. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> It´s very weird and cool at the same time, only problem is the ammo uses up five shots, so I am planning on extending the ammo limit to 120 or 150 in order to get more shots in. The only thing I am having troble with is the sound, but other then that, it´s very interesting. Thanks for showing that tut´s. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

Argh, I think you will find if you ask Accushot .. that Parabolix was the first to do it.. Epsilon mod has featured it for some time now.. Yes the damage is per shot i.e. 5 points = 5 times the damage,, energy consumption etc... is pretty cool,, but weapons need to be made in such a way that the damage is divided by the number of points... otherwise the weapons are.. well... very very uber.. Harrier

I know I was playing around with it and make the shotgun like 1200 damage pershot thinking it wouyld jsut be 1200 and man did it take out ships. I got the sound working and it sounds very very very COOL. (Like a real shotgun underwater. Just that bass sound but sounds more like a gun shot. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ) I stilll need to work with the effect, but other then that it´s a very good idea for modders out there to use. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

what happens when you change damage_per_fire on a multifire weapon

For special effects you might want to ask bakedpotato. From what I´ve seen in his close encounters mod he knows a lot about them.