You should try some of *my* clean insults Grom. Ah, back in the old days I would confound my churlish school "chums" with elaborate insults that they did not understand, yet were offended by <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>. Ah, good times... Well not really <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.
Do we really need a language censor here?
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lol. cool. okedokee matee...offend away...<img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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I don´t know Grom, I´m out of practice. Let me ponder it for a few weeks, and then I may be able to remember some of them <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.
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You had to be there, Grom. You know, down the burrow, in an unlit hovel, fetid carrot stench with GB breath steaming up the atmosphere, not knowing what all the sounds were (horse hoof clomping, long eared scrapings of ceiling and rodent toothed overbite diction) that accompanied the torrent of Readers Digest words of the month. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I know for sure which person I would be backing away from. lol <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> It depends on the circumstance doesn´t it? After all, didn´t bobby say "Are you talkin to me?" - which whilst containing no swearing still managed to convey the fact that you were in the Scheiße. Indeed, if you really want to make an impact, words are completely superfluous! Just vomit green soup all over the place and twist your head around - people get the message...
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hmm...I can undestand if people say that there are time that swearing enhances writing, but as soon a swearing is tolerated, you get most people totally overdoing it. If you look at most books today, there is so much swearing in and it is really, realy irritating, because well you could totally write it without the swearwords and still make sense. Or come accross the exact same way.
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<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>After all, didn´t bobby say "Are you talkin to me?" - which whilst containing no swearing still managed to convey the fact that you were in the Scheiße. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> true, but the actual full quote is... You talkin´ to me? You talkin´ to me? You talkin´ to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin´ to? You talkin´ to me? Well, I´m the only one here. Who do the f*** do you think you´re talking to? ....*ahem* I believe thats a swear word used to affirm the threat - exactly as I was trying to explain in my more extreme example. Swearing is just a set of words in the english language that are used to heighten a point. Anyone who honestly thinks that swearing has no place in the english language, should visit england and experience their use in everyday non-threatening contexts.
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yeah, but I would have shat my pants at "You talking to me?" - without the rest of it. Same for Terminator 2´s (if my memory isn´t failing me) "get out". Mind you, having Arnie sat in the seat next to you may cause that effect I guess <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Anyone who honestly thinks that swearing has no place in the english language, should visit england and experience their use in everyday non-threatening contexts. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Hmm, hope your not talking about all the chavs and mini crims walking around f´ing and blinding non stop. It turns the language into its ugliest form possible when swearing becomes the norm. Edited by - Mike G on 10/19/2005 12:04:46 PM
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one has to be lucrative with swears to be original, and to be good. to repeat "Fornication Under Consent of the King" or Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo for short, endlessly is hardly to be called original, nor is it any good, instead of go foxtrot uniform charlie kilo yourself, you could use the old "Get stuffed!!" same message, more original, and imo more powerfull, although you could use the former, in its literal transcription ofcourse, to raise an eyebrow, and just plainly call him an arse. there are plenty of chances to swear, just using normal words, or to be lucrative, and call em everything under the sun (believe me, I have a very rich expertise in swearing from my daily job, and it doesn´t confine itself in one language)
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I do agree that the chav-like over use of the f word is incomprehensively sad...eg. put the f´in kettle on, cos I f´in want an f´in cuppa, you f´in f´er...<img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> etc....but I suppose that it is just the nature of the subculture. No, what I was referring to earlier was the "everyday" use by Mr Average Man On The Street. Swearing nowadays appears most frequently with surprise - eg. "reallllly? get the f outta here" or "what? no f´in way!" or even "No sh**!!!". The words have been absorbed into everyday language and when used infrequently and in the right context, often go unnoticed. IMO, the only word in england that really turns heads still is c*** - it is still considered so offensive that you would actually hear long sucks of breath from the people around you if used in a public place, presuming of course they haven´t already commented on it being "too offensive". Which is exactly why I think that it should be filtered from this site. If any word should be censored, it should certainly be that one. (btw, I agree that the person making the statement certainly makes the difference. If Joe Pesci looked me in the eye and said "leave me alone you undesirable young man or I will be forced to defend myself"...I would crap myself and be out of there like a shot. lol. Its not always the big muscley ones that are the scariest <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ) EDIT: I always find "lick my starfish" to be as effective as any swear word anyway <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - gromit on 10/19/2005 2:26:35 PM
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"Funny how? Funny like I´m a clown - I amuse you?" I would ruuuunnnnnnnn by that point. True, swear words have managed to invade a certain age groups language to an extent that its overused - nearly to the point where it has lost its meaning. Indeed, many require a "threatening look" to convey what swear words would have originally done on their own. Although many use it in everday language - Leon said it best to Matilda outside "ol Tony´s" "I want you to stop cursing. You can´t talk to people like that all the time."
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Indy - Lies! And anyway, at least I´m not packed into a small 2x2 metre built-in-robe taping away madly at a computer keyboard covered by 4 months worth of crumbs and coffee/Kahlua stains, while craning forward in a rickety wodden chair and staring at the screen with bloodshot eyes trying to divine the reason that Windows ME has crashed <i>again </i>! *Takes breath* Hmmm. Not my best work I fear... <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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*rummages frantically around and physically disconnects webcam*
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Mike - I´ve got to say, you´ve got a great taste in movies <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> That quote though, again, when you look at the whole quote uses a swear word for emphasis... "How am I funny, like a clown? What is so funny about me? What the F*** is so funny about me? Tell me. Tell me what´s funny." *shudder* but saying that, you take the swear word out and its just as effective. The guy has me quaking every time I watch that film. Now, Casino, thats another film thats rammed with swearing but has some genuinely scary moments that have no swearing at all...for example, when Bob´s wife is about to leave him he grabs her arm and says... "Look at my eyes, do you see anything in the eyes that makes you think I´m going to let you take my child away from me with your condition?" ...there´s no need to swear, at that very moment you know he wouldn´t think twice about killing her where she stands. But it has to be said, De Niro pulls off those scenes without blinking an eye. He´s one scary so-n-so.
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I do swear and I do like nasty words from time to time, but in oral language, not in written. For written language I agree with a lot of you there are more sublime words for swearing/insulting or whatever. Nice example imo: scene from Beckett´s "Waiting for Godot" (act 2) <i>They glare at each other angrily. </i> VLADIMIR: Ceremonious ape! ESTRAGON: Punctilious pig! VLADIMIR: Finish your phrase, I tell you! ESTRAGON: Finish your own! <i>Silence. They draw closer, halt. </i> VLADIMIR: Moron! ESTRAGON: That´s the idea, let´s abuse each other. <i>They turn, move apart, turn again and face each other. </i> VLADIMIR: Moron! ESTRAGON: Vermin! VLADIMIR: Abortion! ESTRAGON: Morpion! VLADIMIR: Sewer-rat! ESTRAGON: Curate! VLADIMIR: Cretin! ESTRAGON: (with finality). Crritic! VLADIMIR: Oh! <i>He wilts, vanquished, and turns away </i>
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@zazie; I begin to weary of this motif. Anyhoo, Thanks Grom, at least someone here is defending all that is right and good in the universe. Vulgarities do not necessarily have to be used as offensive threats. They are most often used best as humour
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Ooops. Looks like Mr. Id got his potcheen mixed up with the drain clog remover again. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> I´m all for fixing the censor program and improving / fine tuning its vocabulary. But why is it that the "celtic" derivatives are not considered so bad? I mean, they seem to be published and aired without any issue.
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Killa, i can understand where you are coming from in wanting to put some rather nasty words into your fiction, but most of the times, it really is unnessicary, and can be replaced by other more deeper phrases that still illustrate character. Example: - Able: F*** you, you stupid B**** With that, Able pushed Baker down the stairs - A direct transcription of the event. however, it can be improved. -- Able´s face scowled as a string of harsh and hurtful words escaped from his lips, and, before Baker could retaliate with a barrage of his own, Able´s strength had knocked his weight off his feet, sending him tumbling down the flight of stairs behind him. -- Which one is more interesting? To moi it is fairly obvious, but yeah If you take the time to write in the details like that, your fictions will become a lot more interesting. -:- You Wanna Revolution?
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<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Grom´s fave <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> hehe well I wouldn´t go that far, but I can see where you´re coming from <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle><img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> In fact my favourite "swear word" would have to be "bugger". This is where it all gets a little vague in my opinion. Everyone knows what the word means - and know it *could* be considered offensive. However back home in the north west of england, it is used frequently in a number of ways ("oh bugger", "bugger off", "bugger it" etc etc) and subsequently is considered widely as INoffensive. This is the perfect example of a word that *was* considered as swearing less than 50 years ago, yet is now generally accepted. Being a rounder more comfortable sounding word made it easier to become widespread imo....yet the meaning stays the same. I was brought up in a very religious family where swearing was prohibited and considered as much of a sin as adultery and theft. In fact, I remember getting severely repremanded for muttering "oh bugger" at the age of 14. However as a sign of the times, 16 years on, I´ve recently caught my mum saying it on more than one occasion - although she does tend to sheepishly apologise every time <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> What I´m getting at is simply the more a word is used, the more people "numb" to it and the more likely it is to become generally accepted. "Bugger", "Bollox" and "Smeg" have already began leaning that way, how long will it be until F*** goes the same way? Will C*** ever be accepted in polite society?