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Sunday, August 28th 2005, 8:18am

Please see my mod, Warriors of the Sky, Beta 1, for a good example of how far you can take "stripped down".
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Sunday, August 28th 2005, 9:49am

this insn´t made from scratch: [BaseInfo nickname = BR07_02_Base start_room = Cityscape [Room nickname = Cityscape file = UniverseSystemsBR07BasesRoomsBR07_02_cityscape.ini [Room nickname = Bar file = UniverseSystemsBR07BasesRoomsBR07_02_bar.ini [Room nickname = Trader file = UniverseSystemsBR07BasesRoomsBR07_02_trader.ini [Room nickname = ShipDealer file = UniverseSystemsBR07BasesRoomsBR07_02_shipdealer.ini [Room nickname = Equipment file = UniverseSystemsBR07BasesRoomsBR07_02_equipment.ini nice that u used a bretonia systems and bases as ´framework´ but what the hack has your mod to do with the original freelancer, no offense but i think noone else than u know how your mod ´works´ cause the names u use as names for your objects have nothing to do with your ingamenames ... that makes it realy hard for others to use your mod as a base ...

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Sunday, August 28th 2005, 10:01am

Erm... yes... well, I didn´t say it was easy to strip everything down. And, truth be told, WOS was never, ever meant to be &quot;starting place&quot; for anybody else´s project. Beta 1 is dirty, nasty code chunks all spliced together with a big roll of binary duct tape- it was a tech demo built on numerous previous tech demos. I just thought you might want to see <b>how far </b> you can really take things with the game engine. Don´t limit your conception of what the FL engine can do. If it makes you feel any better, I corrected the coding inconsistencies you mentioned in Beta 2, but it hasn´t been released yet, because I´m still waiting on getting certain custom SURs done for it. Which requires the assistance of other people- it´s been sitting on my HD collecting dust for several months now, which I´ve been spending working on the XML Toolkit- which is designed for newbies to pick up and use- although it´s not aimed at system builders, since most newbies gravitate towards FLE for obvious reasons <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> And uh... just one last note: there is no Br07 System in the original game- that title was left over from the original setup for Oceania, which I did very sloppily with FLE and then spent ages fixing up by hand <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Argh on 8/28/2005 9:04:32 AM
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Monday, August 29th 2005, 2:33am

[qoute dont understand me wrong but i get tired of reading topics with intresting headlines (to me) and learn nothing on the 2 given answers, mostly they not realy cover the question at all or they not answered in the way it should be for beginners ... [/qoute yeah it happen again ... -_- :rolleyes:

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Monday, August 29th 2005, 3:54am

Sorry, I´m not here to spoon-feed you. I guess I could´ve saved a lot´ve my time (but left you without anything to go on) by just saying &quot;nope, what you´re wanting doesn´t exist&quot;. Sorry, but there aren´t any &quot;one of everything and nothing else&quot; mods in existence. There are a lot of reasons for that, but mainly it comes down to this: totally removing a lot of the original FL content is very, very difficult. The original Free Worlds team has probably come closest to truly removing everything that was in FL- and I think that Warriors of the Sky is as close as anybody has come to totally re-purposing the game engine. You may not &quot;get&quot; why I showed you that... but that´s just a sign that you have a long way to go. Don´t fault me for giving you an answer that´s difficult to understand- if modding FL that extensively was easy, everybody would do it <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> You should go get my XML Toolkit 1.2, read through it carefully (it does have a lot of documentation aimed at newbies, written in an easy-to-understand way), to learn how to code XML and INIs... and then study how how build custom Systems. Build a single System, then you´re going to need to go into the Mission code and take out all of the System references that refer to the other Systems. Then integrate OpenSP, which will hopefully get rid of issues with Content.dll´s control over what files FL is looking for/at when it starts a new SP game. That´s... the shortest answer I can give you. Actually achieving your goal is going to be extremely difficult. I wanted a mod like what you´re describing some time ago myself, but after looking at the sheer difficulty in achieving the goals... decided that I might as well just live with the problems inherent with leaving FL´s core content intact, and working around the problem, not hitting it head on.
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Monday, August 29th 2005, 2:40pm

Here´s a couple of pointers for you:- 1) How big´s your mod team (5 or 6 expert freelancer modders to get this project out in about 1 year. 2) How much of your life are you willing to give up to acheive this. 3) The guys like Argh, Chips and Accushot to name 3 are among the top freelancer modders, so if they say that as a noob you have no chance of doing it please believe them. These guys have helped most of us understand how to mod Freelancer, but even with all their experience there is a lot of this game that we still can´t mod, which means that a Total Conversion (TC) mod is the best you can hope for. Rebalance 3.5 Dev. Team <A href=´http://rebalance.blue-ion.net´ Target=_Blank>rebalance.blue-ion.net</a>

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Monday, August 29th 2005, 10:35pm

I should note, for the record, that there are a huge number of things you <i>could get rid of without too many problems: </i> 1. You could get rid of all but 3 Loadouts. 2. You could go to one Shiparch.ini entry. 3. You could get rid of all of the Equipment, aside from an Engine. 4. You could get rid of all but one Dockable Solar. This would require extensive changes to every System, but it´s doable. The difficulty is getting rid of Systems. Mbases and the Missions and the Systems are all tightly integrated with one another. Getting rid of all of them would be a major undertaking- I´m not understating this, trust me <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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