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Sunday, October 16th 2005, 7:54pm

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Sunday, October 16th 2005, 7:59pm

I don´t think mods should be allowed to go off topic like this... <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Eh. Now look what you did... You made me go off topic too! <img src=smilies/icon_smile_disapprove.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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Sunday, October 16th 2005, 8:19pm

i totally understand where everyone is comming from, but I believe Killa´s primary argument is for his fanfic. we´ve all acknowledged that this can be avioded, but in general banter, it is heard all the time, especially between characters like those in killa´s fic. I agree whole heartedly that the forums should be censored to this kind of language, but it does take away something from character development in the stories. yes, I know, us fanfic writters could write about someting else and avoid it entirely, but look at the universe the game is set in, it isnt exactly eden now is it? perhaps when/ if the forums are revamped there can be a fanfic forum like the veteran forum, because some stories developing on this site are simply amazing, and so are the authors. anyway, i dont know if my post is helping the cause anymore, so I´ll be quiet, but its just some food for thought Edited by - [GR_Fallen_Angel on 10/16/2005 7:20:33 PM
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 5:36am

LOL, so you got in trouble with your preacher huh!? Look up Thomas Crapper and give him a history lesson, thats where the word crap comes from. Vulgarity is a cultures teachings wether right or wrong.
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 9:53am

Bp:<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Ah! a game of Charades Give us a hint...is it good to eat? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Haha, very good! <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 10:22am

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>absolutely my friend....unfortunately though, it doesn´t explain why the word c*nt still gets through the filter think it would be a good idea to add it, don´t you? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2>For one simple reason I think, either Bargib forgot to add it, or it wasn´t on the list he got from ICRA, concerning the swearwords that needed to be blocked, in either case, i´d hae to agree with Grom here, and say that it should be added, as it is a very rude and offensive term, no matter in what context you use it. On Today´s other news: Blimey Tix, you sure know how to make an entrance, everything´s well i hope?? with You AND Marija ofcourse, school still busy??

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Monday, October 17th 2005, 10:54am

I agree there should be a language censor. Simply because it forces people to use different words that aren´t rude. I delight in using as many long, complex and obscure words as possible. So should you lot <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle><img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Oh, and I love being a bore. Seriously, being able to express oneself articulately without the need for expletives is a useful skill to have. Once you leave school the shock to the system is that it is NOT COOL to punctuate every sentence with a choice four letter word. EDIT: Though perhaps we could exempt stories fanfics etc etc as they could be considered ´art´. Edited by - The Evil Thing on 10/17/2005 9:56:13 AM
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 11:56am

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I agree whole heartedly that the forums should be censored to this kind of language, but it does take away something from character development in the stories <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> How does it take away from character development? You mean if the character is supposed to be a crusted up swear ridden salty dog that not being able to put *&amp;^%! in the guys lines takes away from the character depiction? Why not just put the symbols in place of the words? Firstly, it serves the purpose, secondly, it puts it to the imagination of the reader what may have been said which, thirdly, gives the reader a more enriching experience in applying his/her imagination to what you wrote. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

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Monday, October 17th 2005, 2:35pm

And fourthly, it makes it look incredably stupid and like I´m five years old. And Fallen Angel was right, my arguement about this is mainly for my story. If I can´t express what´s on their mind clearly, then it really takes away from character devolipment. And as Fallen Angel said, this isn´t set in Eden, it´s set in a grimy 32nd century in a place almost on the other side of the galaxy. Not to mention, with all the stuff that´s supposed to happen in this story, people will think that THIS is a judgment of God, the Tribulation, all that stuff and begin questioning their faith. I´ve seen it happen, people lose their faith because they´re wondering why a God that loved them so much would send them through Hell on Earth. This is mainly about my fanfic, as I want to be able to post it uncensored, and I would like to post it here to reach more people. I could creat another site but I suppose some people just don´t have the time to go there. I will make a site and try to post the chapters there, but I would like to be able to post them here too. And thank you Fallen Angel for seeing the point I´m trying to make, or at least seeing where I´m coming from.
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 2:54pm

I was reading some of Dan Browns (a little late I know...) books, and I don´t remember seeing that many swear words at all! I don´t think having them in would benefit the story either... Seeing as fanfic has had more steamy scenes than an episode of the &quot;red shoe diaries&quot; - I personally won´t be convinced that it´s honestly for &quot;character development or authenticity purposes&quot;. Seeing a fan fic with swear words will not make me think &quot;Oh, gritty...&quot; at all. Thats just my personal opinion - but as others have said, it doesn´t matter anyways cause it aint being changed from the looks of things. As a fix up - write word or Acrobat documents (or even plain text documents) and then post links to them. Edited by - Mike G on 10/17/2005 1:55:44 PM
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 3:59pm

Yes we do need the filter!<img src=smilies/icon_smile_approve.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> I swear!<img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 6:26pm

yes but dan brown´s characters arnt exactly the same type of people we´re writing about. and yes some got a little steamy, but so do some episodes of star trek. Nothing written in the fan fic forum is worse than you´d see on TV on any given night. granted I think TV these days is rediculous, but if this stuff is found on TV, in music and movies, in Fine Art, I think it should be acceptible in writing to if it is used to help define a character. If any of you have seen movies like &quot;Do the Right Thing&quot; they are filled with swear words, yes some of it is overboard, but it is used to help define a character. Now if you´ve ever seen this movie on TV they replace words like mother ****** with mickey flicky, which completely ruins the point the director is trying to convey. I realize this second point detracts from one of my earlier ones, but it is still worth mentioning.
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Monday, October 17th 2005, 6:37pm

@Killa. If you insist on the artistic necessity I can´t argue with that. ( Although I also would suggest that if it really is going to look all that stupid with @#$! then consider whether replacing them with the actual 4 letter word really makes the t

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Tuesday, October 18th 2005, 5:29am

Killa, I think it rather makes you look more like an adult if you can find a way to stipulate your protagonist´s character, without resorting to common swearwords. I use swears at a day to day basis, but only to highlight certain points I have.

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Tuesday, October 18th 2005, 8:06am

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Tuesday, October 18th 2005, 10:38am

I find it interesting that someone said you can only truly express yourself if you *don´t* use swear words...I do agree, but hasten to add that if you are unbelievably annoyed with someone, to the point where you detest them, surely a much more effective way to to express this would be... &quot;**** off you ****ing ****&quot; rather than &quot;please go away you detestable person&quot;. By using the second phrase you demonstrate your vocabulary, yet you fail to truly express yourself to the extent of the english language. Whereas the first method is a quick and legitimate expression of disgust. &quot;Swear&quot; words after all are only an extension of the english language - their definition in the oxford english is &quot;To use abusive, violent, or blasphemous language against&quot;. Also, the word &quot;swear&quot; itself means &quot;To say or affirm earnestly and with great conviction&quot; which is exactly why it is directly linked to such &quot;bad words&quot; - if you want to be abusive with great conviction, then it surely is not only an acceptable method, but also the most effective, no? <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> (and yes I totally understand why this ICRA labelled site has to be swear filtered - I just thought it was about time someone was honest enough to stand up for swearing!) Edited by - gromit on 10/18/2005 9:39:57 AM
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Tuesday, October 18th 2005, 12:36pm

I have read many books that have no swearing at all, and I am not just talking about DR. Suess! They usually say something like, &quot;He muttered and oath&quot;, or &quot;she said things that would make a sailor blush.&quot; You know, implied. I think that swearing comes from habit but when you write it out, whether in a forum or a paper or a story, it is for the shock value. Use of those words really limit ones vocabulary. Look at &quot;Die Hard&quot; or othrs like it where the majority of the dialog is bleeped or voiced over when shown edited. In short, I think that the censor should stay and be edited to include previously mentioned words.
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Tuesday, October 18th 2005, 12:37pm

One works with the limitations required is my suggestion. If it is absolutely impossible for the author to get the intended point across without using swears in a written work, it is absolutely impossible for that author. Point would be whether the site is obliged to change its rules for the benefit of the author. My guess is that do so is more like a tail wagging the dog situation.

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Tuesday, October 18th 2005, 5:29pm

<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>&quot;**** off you ****ing ****&quot; rather than &quot;please go away you detestable person&quot;. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Another way to express your displeasure with a person, with out the need for cursing, &quot;Get away from me, you worthless piece of trash!&quot; There are always to say the samething, but with different words, and still express the meaning behind it. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Finalday on 10/18/2005 4:32:55 PM
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Wednesday, October 19th 2005, 1:44am

I totally agree, but lets face it, which would you take more seriously if they were shouting at you? I know for sure which person I would be backing away from. lol <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>
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