Missile loadout needed for 1-hit-kill on VHF?

[steel] · Feb 19th 2004

i would mount a firestalker with the cball

NukeIt · Feb 19th 2004

Sunslayer torps work fine if you have a HF/VHF yourself. As long as your ship is over class 5, you can use a pair or a trio of catapults (remember, all the launchers will draw from the same ammo pool), which do loads of damage for a pretty low price. Turbo with missiles and torps to increase their speed and thus their damage. ---------------------------------------- Proud owner and operator of a Patriot! Proud owner and operator of a Stiletto! Proud ally of the Bounty HuntersÂ´ Guild! Proud hater of Nomad weapons! Proud user of all things underestimated! ---------------------------------------- For the last time...there is no "N" in "TURRET"!

ShiftViper · Feb 19th 2004

I would have to say 3 Neutralizers (Which i believe is the class 7 EMP Missile) and 3 Cannonballs (Class 9) with a hint of Kraken Turret (Class 8). This loadout even works on a Centrion and a Hammerhead, which is able to take out a VHF in one pass with all direct hits. With a little bit of tweaking, 2 Paralyzers and 4 Cannonballs produce more consistent killage, but requires the Eagle, Sabre or Titan. And if you so desire, 6 Tizona Del Cid and a Sunslayer Torpedo almost guarantees destruction if it hits dead on.

Frobozz · Feb 19th 2004

Repost from post I made a while ago: ------snip------- I have run extensive experiments on my LAN server with two missile launchers. Results: Not Good News What I have observed is what I call missile-missile interference. Yes, shooting two Catapults at a stationary target gets good results. However, if that target is moving, ONE missile will likely hit first. What then happens is that if the 2nd missile is within the blast radius, it gets destroyed BEFORE hitting target. I tried to fix this problem by using one Homing (@99m/s)and one non-Homing (@90m/s)to get a 9m/s difference. At long ranges the problem was fixed, but made it even worse at short ranges! End result seems to indicate only fire ONE missile at time. Therefore that one should be the largest non-homimg the ship will carry. A second missile launcher that has a different function (like EMP) can be mounted too tho. I have even seen (unconfirmed)the two missiles run into each other and mutually destroy each other! I assume that the ship hardpoints have a factor here, and two launchers on the same wing would exibit this more than launchers at maximum separation from each other. Could not reproduce. ------snip------- I think that firing a mine or Torp at the some time as a C-Ball makes the most sense. Also, use Starkillers, NOT sunslayers, thatÂ´s overkill. (and ever hear o Hornets? BooooM!) "Got anything for me?" - Trent, A.K.A. Â´Mr. EloquentÂ´

T-hawk · Feb 19th 2004

IÂ´ll second the recommendation for a Starkiller - Cannonball combo. This usually wonÂ´t quite be a one-hit kill on VHFs every time, but itÂ´ll often be close enough that incidental gun fire will complete the job. There isnÂ´t any 100% sure one-hit-kill against VHFs other than Sunslayers. Something like 3 or 4 Tizonas (6 is overkill and inflexible) plus a Sunslayer launcher is loads of fun, though. <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Against AI ships, I can kill two and often three Titans in one head-on pass. (Hammerheads are harder as they can dodge the Sunslayers more often.) -- <img src=Â´http://www.dos486.com/freelancer/starflier.gif Â´>

Yumiko · Feb 19th 2004

IÂ´d rather not use multiple missiles of the same type, since that makes it so much easier to run out of ammunition. On my other account, I have a Dromedary with 2 Catapult missiles and I frequently run out of ammunition in the border worlds. A Cannonball and Firestalker sounds like it would do good damage, but Firestalkers are just as expensive as Cannonballs (7k); it seems that if I spend about 7k killing an enemy, I can afford it, but if it cost double that I couldnÂ´t. <BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>With a little bit of tweaking, 2 Paralyzers and 4 Cannonballs produce more consistent killage, but requires the Eagle, Sabre or Titan. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmm, that sounds very interesting, although is probably too expensive for me to support currently. So you just fire the Paralyzers followed by the Cannonballs, and you donÂ´t even have to aim as accurately as you would if you were using guns, and the target dies? <BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>And if you so desire, 6 Tizona Del Cid and a Sunslayer Torpedo almost guarantees destruction if it hits dead on. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> That would actually be fairly economical; a Sunslayer Torpedo only costs about 8k. What about 4 Tizona Del Cid and 2 Nomad Energy Blasters, though? I think both weapon configurations would require exactly 3 hits to down an Adv. Champion H. F. Shield, making the latter better since it also does significant hull damage. <BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I think that firing a mine or Torp at the some time as a C-Ball makes the most sense. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> How do you get the mine to hit? <BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Also, use Starkillers, NOT sunslayers, thatÂ´s overkill. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Starkiller does 2424 hull damage. Sunslayer does 11736 hull damage. DoesnÂ´t that mean Starkiller isnÂ´t powerful enough to blow up an unshielded VHF by itself, while the Sunslayer is? Well, maybe it would be good to combine Cannonball with Starkiller, though. <BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>(and ever hear o Hornets? BooooM!) <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Hornet Cruise Disruptors? Do you use that to knock the last sliver of hull off a heavily damaged target, since itÂ´s so easy to hit with it?

DaVoid · Feb 19th 2004

I thought all it took was one Cball to kill any ship except for maybe the Titan?

Yumiko · Feb 20th 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I thought all it took was one Cball to kill any ship except for maybe the Titan? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> IÂ´ve hit Hammerheads with a Cannonball Missile after taking down their shield, and theyÂ´ve had as much as 40% hull left. IÂ´m currently using this build: 4 Tizona del Cid 2 Nomad Energy Cannon 1 Sunslayer Torpedo Launcher My guns take down even the shield of a VHF very quickly (I calculated it out, and my configuration should take down the strongest shield in 3 hits, and using 6 Tizonas wonÂ´t do it any faster so thatÂ´s why I have 2 Nomads), after which I just have to hit them with a torpedo and the fight is over. I had a $200k mission today, where I had to kill someone. I just went in, shot out his shields, launched a torpedo and the mission was over before it really started. I love this thing! The cost of the torpedoes isnÂ´t too bad; as long as I donÂ´t waste too many torpedoes, I turn an easy profit on missions. Edited by - Yumiko on 2/20/2004 3:10:06 AM

NukeIt · Feb 20th 2004

It seems to me the damage done by a missile is modified by too many factors to be able to predict whether or not youÂ´ll do maximum damage with it. Maybe youÂ´ll get half its payload, maybe double, or even triple, depending on how you approach the target, what angle it hits at, how fast, etc. IÂ´ve gotten one hit VHF(NPC) kills with torps or other big missiles, and sometimes itÂ´s taken two or three. That bit about the multiple missile blowing each other up is interesting...I must admit, I never thought about that, assuming instead that one missed or the launch angle was messed up. ---------------------------------------- Proud owner and operator of a Patriot! Proud owner and operator of a Stiletto! Proud ally of the Bounty HuntersÂ´ Guild! Proud hater of Nomad weapons! Proud user of all things underestimated! ---------------------------------------- For the last time...there is no "N" in "TURRET"!

Yumiko · Feb 20th 2004

> IÂ´ve gotten one hit VHF(NPC) kills with torps or other big missiles, and > sometimes itÂ´s taken two or three. Have you ever had a torpedo hit an *unshielded* VHF, without destroying it?

Frobozz · Feb 20th 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I think that firing a mine or Torp at the some time as a C-Ball makes the most sense. How do you get the mine to hit? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Myself I just will put the C-ball, Starkiller (if I have 1) and Cutter mine all on the same wep group. They all fire at once. In a joust scenario, the opponent is coming head-on to you and therefore will be in the mineÂ´s range after he passes you. It may hit, or not. <BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade> Starkiller does 2424 hull damage. Sunslayer does 11736 hull damage. DoesnÂ´t that mean Starkiller isnÂ´t powerful enough to blow up an unshielded VHF by itself, while the Sunslayer is? Well, maybe it would be good to combine Cannonball with Starkiller, though. (and ever hear o Hornets? BooooM!) Hornet Cruise Disruptors? Do you use that to knock the last sliver of hull off a heavily damaged target, since itÂ´s so easy to hit with it? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Proper missile/torp use means you fire under thrust and that torp moving at 250 does quite a bit more damage than the data says it should. I love it when I see a sunslayer user, I hornet their torp as soon as they fire. The BooooM! is their ship, caught in the blast of their own torp. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Frobozz on 2/20/2004 10:19:00 AM

Yumiko · Feb 20th 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Proper missile/torp use means you fire under thrust and that torp moving at 250 does quite a bit more damage than the data says it should. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Is the damage multiplier the same for missiles and torpedoes? Because a Starkiller torpedo does less damage than a Cannonball missile, and I know a Cannonball missile canÂ´t kill a VHF in one hit usually, so I would think that a Starkiller torpedo has even less of a chance.

NukeIt · Feb 20th 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Have you ever had a torpedo hit an *unshielded* VHF, without destroying it? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> I wanÂ´t clear enough....I was not referring to torpedoes directly, but other types of projectiles, specifically missiles and mines. The third period leftover sleepiness must have messed with my head while I was posting. <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ---------------------------------------- Proud owner and operator of a Patriot! Proud owner and operator of a Stiletto! Proud ally of the Bounty HuntersÂ´ Guild! Proud hater of Nomad weapons! Proud user of all things underestimated! ---------------------------------------- For the last time...there is no "N" in "TURRET"!

Frobozz · Feb 23rd 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>"Proper missile/torp use means you fire under thrust and that torp moving at 250 does quite a bit more damage than the data says it should." Is the damage multiplier the same for missiles and torpedoes? Because a Starkiller torpedo does less damage than a Cannonball missile, and I know a Cannonball missile canÂ´t kill a VHF in one hit usually, so I would think that a Starkiller torpedo has even less of a chance. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, perhaps this should be called 1-pass-kill rather than 1-hit-kill. I say fire C-ball (4890), Starkiller (2424), and Cutter mine (2120) all at once. TDCs hit first, C-ball hits second, and if either torp or mine connects itÂ´s a kill. "Got anything for me?" - Trent, A.K.A. Â´Mr. EloquentÂ´

ShiftViper · Feb 23rd 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Hmm, that sounds very interesting, although is probably too expensive for me to support currently. So you just fire the Paralyzers followed by the Cannonballs, and you donÂ´t even have to aim as accurately as you would if you were using guns, and the target dies? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>It is extremely expensive, and without mods it is impossible to get the paralyzer launcher, but with missiles you donÂ´t have to be as accurate as you would with normal guns. You do fire the paralyzers after the cannonballs, and itÂ´s quite difficult to do (press 1 through 6 at different times during a single pass) but the results are quite satisfying <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>That would actually be fairly economical; a Sunslayer Torpedo only costs about 8k. What about 4 Tizona Del Cid and 2 Nomad Energy Blasters, though? I think both weapon configurations would require exactly 3 hits to down an Adv. Champion H. F. Shield, making the latter better since it also does significant hull damage. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>That would work better, but I was more concerned with shieldbusting when I came up with this. Some mods have some (*ahem*) ridiculously powerful shields.<BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>Hornet Cruise Disruptors? Do you use that to knock the last sliver of hull off a heavily damaged target, since itÂ´s so easy to hit with it? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>Hornets are almost useless except for their CD purpose. Firing one when your target is not at cruise serves more as a distraction (blocking a portion of their FOV) than a damaging effect.

Share