Actually I´m trying to go through life having everyone hate me <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> I think I might have stated what this is about a bit wrong, while it is also about all you are adressing, I was thinking amore personal level as well...most of the things you guys are talking about is impersonal, about people caring for people you dont know, but what do you think about my statement in regard to more personal matters...eg co-workers, friends family. I stand by my statement(generalization) in this as well Edited by - sycho warrior on 2/27/2005 12:39:06 PM
"After all who wants to care for anyone but himself"
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I think most people just don´t care, because the society around them in the West is not one that preaches compassion, it preaches self-importance and greed.
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amazing how a missing "e" can change the meaning of a statement.<img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> when you say more personal how close do you mean. those i work for are often as annonymous as those begging on the streets. how personal? i do not help those i do not know f or fer of being hurt or misled. for those i do know, those i trust, my friends and family, i will give my life for them no question and i am sure everyone here would ay the same. money is no object, if i have it i´ll give it if they need. time, distance...i´ll give it, i´m there. the last post i made explains why i do little for those i do not know, none of that could excuse not being there for those i care for. the original post you made implied that you held a belief that no one cares for others any more. understandable if you think of it on an impersonal level but i reckon you will get few takers if you are talking on a personal friends and family level. BTW: <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>I stand by my statement(generalization) in this as well <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2>. a bit of a get out of jail free card don´t you think? "Time wounds all heels!"
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I would see it that if the population cared for at leaset 75% of the needy and homeless, there would be a whole lot less living on the street, and our additudes in general would be different. As in not hateing each other. But, the unwullingness to help peoplee stems from selfishness. If we each helped one person, a lot of poverty would be eliminated, though I do not see that happening in this world. Only in very small tightnit comunities. Edited by - Finalday on 2/27/2005 12:45:43 PM
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Ugh I hate it when my pc freezes before I can post <A href=´http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/sycho_warrior/post.jpg´ Target=_Blank>link</a> The quote I was trying to make <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>a bit of a get out of jail free card don´t you think? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Explain what you mean plz
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i am not sure where your link was to sorry sw. the get out of jail card refers to a "monopoy" game rule that pretty much gets you out of all kind of trouble. you accuse people of something like not caring about others and then try to step aside by saying it is a generalization. you are leaving the door open so when anyone disagrees with your point you can say "well that particular case is not included in my generalization" or "i did not mean to include such people/events" etc. when i say we do not care about beggers because we cannot trust that they are not trying to con us instead of pointing out that that is still a sign of ambivalence in modern society regardless of my motivation you instead turn the point to a lack of caring for "personal" family and friends. to avoid bieng pulled up on this however you stick to reminding us that it is a "generalization" so if i retort you can simply say that you did not include me or my particular "care" for friends and family in your statement. everyday millions of people around the world do nice things for others from the obvious to the innane. not least we avoid doing others harm when possible which in itself is a sign of caring. yet you still wish to cling onto individual examples of selfishness to sum up the nature of humanity as a "generalization". people do naturally protect themselves and their loved ones first no question, that does not logically extend to say that they do not care about others. perhaps if we all gave up our nice warm houses, p.c.´s, and broadband connections and went out to save the world instead of helping we instead would join the ranks of the starving. it is easy to say i do not care because i have not sold my house and donated the procedes to charity but the benifit would be short lived and soon i too would be asking for your help. instead i work hard and do the little i can while keeping my own head above water but that does not mean i do not care.
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No, I would actually argue that the majority of people really don´t care. If compassion was a common trait, there wouldn´t be nearly as many homeless and impoverished as there are now. People are just selfish (I don´t mean ALL people, I mean people in general), too lazy to think about people in positions lower than them or people who are suffering--internally or externally. The fact that there are people who earn multi million dollar salaries and still give <i>nothing </i> to charity is mind boggling.
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Statistically some homeless people have somewhere to go. It was on the news about 5-6 years ago. They just choose to live on the streets. With this knowledge, would you always be so quick to help someone who voluntarily puts themselves there in the first place? I think not. Needless to say, there are some who are there for some reason or another. The underlying issue is, what put them there in the first place.
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I´d give them the benefit of the doubt though. It´s only fair.
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Kinda got up to speed, but may have really missed some points <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Forgive any incorrections/already addressed areas <img src=smilies/icon_smile_approve.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Sure - most people will save a baby from a fire, try and protect the weak and innocent - but that could simply be down to instincts ´built´ into our brains. Its not our thought actions, its a <i>reflex </i> action, no real thought process involved. Why do we scream or cry if not to attract attention and help? What would be the point in tears if not to alert others to our distress. These basic signs are inbuilt - and they have some basic reactions in all of us - only those with the pyschotic mind will ignore them! So when faced with extremes to others of our own, we will respond to aid in any way possible.We even respond to other animals distress cries, and try to aid those as well. Its a natural compassion for other living beings when they are in states of great distress or pain. However, homeless people often do not have the screams and agony shouts of imminent life threatening situations going on, but if they do - they would certainly generate the same response to anyone else - because they are human. When it comes to a compassion of a different time, the trouble isn´t imminent danger - its a long way off. If you knew a homeless person who you were walking past would die if they didn´t get food - nearly every single person would help them out. However, they are not necessairly dying with an imminent threat to their lives (well, not the homeless round here in Leeds anyway, they are all beggars - and earn up to £150 a day begging on the streets - and it all feeds their drug addictions. There are charities, and services that help them out - but they tend to shun it instead....so some do chose to stay this way, because its what they want). The reason why some don´t give money - simply because we either do not believe their plight (as in Leeds!), or alternatively, its probabily more along the lines of ´someone else will sort it´ - which unfortunately is a human trait worldwide. The homeless will receive the short term help when in extreme danger - same as everyone else - its the longer term charitability that is needed which they probabily won´t get. It also requires a long term commitment to help themselves as well, which many do not seem to do!
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Chips, I wish you were right, I really do. But things I´ve seen indicate that people won´t help even when there´s imminent danger. Indeed, often people will not help but join in the hurt.
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@ Codename - Unfort where I live, there is a real high percentage in the young homeless - who beg. It has been documented that they make enough money in 4 hours to get their drugs, and then hide out in there ´dens´ and what not. Some aren´t homeless, they
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They do seem to be experiencing technical difficulties.
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>>But things I´ve seen indicate that people won´t help even when there´s imminent danger. Indeed, often people will not help but join in the hurt. Couldn´t agree more--speaking from experience with the ****s and assholes in high school...
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well it seems the deleting fairy has been to visit again. comme ci, comme ca.
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hmm, its has too. Really uncalled for.
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*Pokes head out from shadows* You´d think that the people who are deleting posts around here would have learnt a lesson from the last "accidental" deletion. Obviously these "mysterious deleters" have learnt nothing; not that I´m surprised. What will happen now? Will these "mysterious" deletions continue? Will Eraser be forced to take the blame again if things get any worse? *Shakes head in disgust and returns to shadows*
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Eraser wasn´t forced to do anything...it was his choice although he didn´t have to do it alone. I don´t think that the deleting will happen again unless the phantom didn´t read the email that was sent out. Taw and everyone else are welcome here as long as they can show some respect to themselves and others. If you cant do that then what can I say...it´s not like it costs you anything to enjoy what is here. If you have a problem you should let Eraser and myself aware of the problem by email. You can get any of the staffs email addresses by looking at the <A href=´http://www.lancersreactor.org/t/staff/´ Target=_Blank> Staff page.</a>