was he the Messiah, or was he just a very naughty boy? <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> I follow the gourd, my self. I used to follow the sandal.
The Passion
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I get the analogy <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>, but the "gourd and sandal" never got associated with either religion. So which is which?
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Be very careful posting in this one folks, if it even looks like it´s going to slip into a slagging match it´ll get locked. But all in all, I think Mel should be at least allowed to get a rough edit out before being berated by religious groups. But BOY, he´s got big nuts taking on a picture like this. If I were a director I wouldn´t go near this bag of worms in a million years.
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I don´t see why there should be such a huge fuss over how movies portray groups of people. The Germans have suffered in silence as the evil bad-guy in movies for years upon end. Mel Gibson has portrayed the colonial British troops in America during the war of independence as all inherently evil. In U-571, the Americans are also supposedly the ones who retrieve the enigma machine, even though in reality it was a British crew. Hollywood, has always messed things up royally and will continue to do so in the name of poetic licence for a long, long time. It would be best if people learnt to take the things they see in the movies with a pinch of salt. I wouldn´t go to watch "The Passion", see a bunch of Jewish people from 2000 years ago acting in a nasty manner and then decide that all Jews to this day are nasty or evil. I doubt anyone with half a brain cell would either. ---------------------------------------- Eat a third and drink a third and leave the remaining third of your stomach empty. Then, when you get angry, there will be sufficient room for your rage. <img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´><img src=´http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/dance2.gif ´>
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im going to keep an eye on it methinks "What? Another girl! Tell me my boy. *whispers* what have you been doing?" - Tobias
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i see how ur taking a risk with this one, but from an atheist´s point of view (which i am) i really don´t see the attraction of watching this movie. and sorry, i have no idea who Mel is. guy? girl? sounds like the short for melissa. am i wrong here? i think i am. but if the movie is gonna be released, i think it´ll be banned in some anti-christian countries.. like pearl harbour was in japan. tell me if i´m turning this into something its not meant to be.
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Does it really matter this movie shows that only a few Jews, 2000 years ago, are the ones responsible for Jesus´ death ? Does this mean people should blame all Jews for something only a few Jews, 2000 years ago, are responsible for ? Are all Jews therefore bad ? Do we blame all Germans for the holocaust ? Do we blame all white people for enslaving black people ? Do we blame all Japanese for the bombing of Pearl Harbor ? Do we blame all Muslims for September 11 ? No ! Off course not ! So why are some Jewish people so strongly against this movie I wander... Edited by - Eraser on 27-08-2003 14:38:29
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While we´re on the "not all" argument, well just remember that not ALL Jews are against this movie, Eraser, only some <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> so I think you should stop using "Jews" as "the people who are against the movie". "Some Jewish people" would be more correct.
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You are absolutely right FF ! Sorry about that, I didn´t mean to. I changed my previous post a bit now.
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i heard this film was supposed to NOT have subtitles, but that was before. I´m not really fussed about religious films to be honest, i´m not a fan of modern christianity or any religion. Religion just drives people apart, and even this film will probably do more damage than good, christians will probably go "ooh this film is brill" and anti christians will go "pfft, this film is all wrong". If Mel can make it so its actually a good film with a good plot and good characters then thats all that i care for, if it turns out to be a live action version of a few passages of the bible with no real POINT to the film i wont be amused -arcon ------ <img src=´http://www.3dactionplanet.com/jediknight/familyGuy2.gif ´>
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<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>if it turns out to be a live action version of a few passages of the bible with no real POINT to the film i wont be amused <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Now don´t be too sure. I think many people would buy dvds of Bible scenes involving Salome. "Girls Gone Wild: Biblical" <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> This post just guaranteed me a seat in Heck, realm of the Prince of Insufficient Light.
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isn´t Gibson a devout catholic? he´s not going to upset his target audience and he prob. won´t care if he upsets anyone else, it will still take plenty of cash because he´s in it and won´t spoil his rep. with his fans. I´m no shade of a christian myself, but i was brought up a catholic (irish and italian parents so u can imagine they were hardcore catholics, I wasn´t allowed non-catholic friends) I spent years looking into what really happened as regards Jesus´ trial and crucifixion, and the beginnings and development of christianity in the years and centuries that followed. I have my own opinions as to what actually went on but i don´t want to get into that argument. if you´d like to know more then I suggest as a starter getting hold of a copy of "Whose is the Kingdom" by John Arden and Margaretta d´Arcy and taking it from there. not belonging to any organised religion, although I have more than a passing interest in Theosophy, I´ve never encouraged my kids to attend church and neither has the Mrs. Of course they´ve gone from school and such, last time the boy went he came back moaning about church, I asked him why he didn´t like it and he told me that "it looks like a castle full of skeletons and the monsters on the walls follow you everywhere, are churches haunted? is jesus a ghost?" somehow i think I might have left a gap in his education, in retrospect.
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PLUS i dont really like gibson, hes done enough crap that i cant remember the last film he was in that i actually enjoyed to the point of thinking "now that was money well spent" -arcon ------ <img src=´http://www.3dactionplanet.com/jediknight/familyGuy2.gif ´>
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Mel is indeed a devoted catholic. He trusts his project completely, because he spend more than $ 25 million of his own money on this film. He just wanted to do this movie really bad.
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catholics are like that, believe me, i know. if he wants to spend his own money let him. i shan´t be going to see it anyway, although i might have a two feature video night between Passion and Life of Brian <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Tawakalna on 27-08-2003 20:51:15
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<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade> But by speaking out on an unfinished and largely unseen film, it has already sparked interest in a film which may only have appealed to a limited audience - the dialogue is entirely spoken in Latin and Aramaic with no plans for subtitles. <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Quote from: <A href=´http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3182275.stm´ Target=_Blank>Source</a> i thought it was not being subtitled -arcon ------ <img src=´http://www.3dactionplanet.com/jediknight/familyGuy2.gif ´>
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mel gibson, a catholic, making a film about jesus? somethings not right there... catholics worship his mother. i mean what did she do? <edit> sorry if ive offended anyone, guess i need to go to bed or something, its like 00.30 here "What? Another girl! Tell me my boy. *whispers* what have you been doing?" - Tobias Edited by - freighter fighter on 28-08-2003 01:27:01
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<font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade>i mean what did she do? <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> Mary is more a symbol of chastity and moral goodness for catholics. I don´t believe in any set faith though, to much blood has been spilt over the catholic/protestant question for me to believe in either of them, or any other church for that matter. Besides both are incredibly arcane and at times, downright cruel. But Mel Gibson is entitled to his views and they´re just as valid as the next man´s take on religion. Personally I feel he should be able to feel free to express those views. He´s bound to ruffle a few feathers, but we should all be grown up enough to handle it. Edited by - Mustang on 28-08-2003 04:10:40
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