Day of Defeat : Source

    Don´t you have to pay for it though? I ain´t payin´ through Steam, I can tell ye <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.

    Esqu, Steam is free to download...All you have to buy are the games...And buy them once, not pay to play. I hate pay to play, the bill I have to pay reminds me of how much of my soul is going into their vault, so I don´t play paytoplay mmos. DoD is what 20 $ right now? And wyou can get a pack that includes HL2 with it (My favorite game)

    Isn´t it essentially just going to be CS:S but with Nazi´s instead of terrorists? Certainly sounds like it, and after the fiasco that was the &quot;update&quot; to the half life engine to prepare for DOD:S which rendered thousands of peoples CS:S and HL2 games unplayable - I would have severe reservations about buying the game. Someone could have made a mod as DOD, its just cashing in a whole new game without putting in any real effort. Everytime they update the game to fix a bug, they´ll make a new bug in another game. They obviously never tested it, because it affected a large proportion of the players, and the thing that makes it worse is that you have no option NOT to download the updates - you cannot play your game until you DO (so its a forceful download). The update did nothing for CS:S or HL2, yet for 3-4 days there were thousands who couldn´t play, and I didn´t even read an apology for their disruption when they didn´t <i>need </i> that update. That annoyed me somewhat.

    As somebody who started playing Counter-Strike during Beta 5 (yeah, that was a looooong time ago)... Well... they couldn´t screw up DoD as much as they did CS, right? Even so... as badly as they´ve mauled CS, I´m afraid to give them a dime to find out- and I´m ignoring the fanboys on this one entirely. Glad I missed another one of their &quot;updates from Heck&quot; ... This kind´ve stuff reminds me why I play CS very rarely now. It´s not that I have less &quot;free time&quot;- I just spend it elsewhere (here, for example). Valve used to be a company that actively sought out modding teams to keep selling their engine, instead of some bizarre technocrats and money-men sitting on top of corpse-like franchise titles. Sorry, I know that´s harsh- the HL2 engine´s pretty, and it has... um... physics? But I really don´t care about pretty when the game designs don´t work, and CS:S convinced me that Valve should have stuck to supporting young, smart mod teams and let Gooseman and Co. be seperate business entities. More honest for everybody, and it might´ve kept CS out of the toilet. I think the worst thing they ever did was join Valve and lose their gamer souls to the Lords of Tech... but that may have been inevitable- they had to make CS cutting-edge to get the hardcore, and then used <i>us </i> to create the allure that brought in all of the kids... while damping down the gameplay so that we wouldn´t just own their pansie, spamming little selves. After watching them dumb everything down over and over again, I´m never going near them again. Burn me once, no biggie... burn me for two years by ruining the closest thing to a true e-sport game ever made since Quake, and then offer me a &quot;new game&quot; that turns out to be a middling FPS with an engine and content that are so ill-optimised that my machine (in the top quarter of their infamous Hardware Survey at release) couldn´t run at 60FPS and still can´t, after countless &quot;improvements&quot;... no way am I giving them money so that I can see that DoD looks prettier... and plays worse.

    Actually, I think they pulled this one off rather nicely. Its semi realistic, much more than counterstrike. And yes, I have played both. I´m hoping it will stay this way, but alot the people who are so annoying with their mics on CS stayed there, I haven´t seen too many. The game is good if you like fps. And in realism, the guns for assault and support class actually climb when you fire then so you have to pull down on your mouse to keep it still. Machine gunners are fun. Mount on a sandbag or on the ground. Grenades dont go 5 miles when you throw them. And you can shoot a grenade out in an rpg style way using the rifleman class it still has the same timer as regular grenades..My favorite thing about this game is being able to throw grenades back if its near you. EDIT : Esq, I think you can aso buy it in stores later (or maybe not I´m not sure) if you want to. That how I bought my Half-Life 2. Kinda cool, Valve is auctioning off some nice looking prints <A href=´http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=7355869904´ Target=_Blank>Prints</a> 100 of em, not sure if they are all of different things, and this is the only one I´ve found so far. Edited by - Aravis on 10/9/2005 8:48:26 AM

    Thanks Aravis, and they probably WILL release DoD in stores eventually. After all, Bioware released a CD containing those hitherto online purchase only &quot;Premium Mods&quot; for NWN <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.

    Esquilax You know that there is a (all in all not too complicated) way of playing HL2 <i>without </i> Steam ? It works perfectly for me. If you want details write me an e-mail. @ everybody: Just to make it clear: I am not promoting something illegal

    Are you referring to playing HL2 without having to be online (ie. &quot;Offline&quot; mode) Zaz, or something else? The only other method that I can recall is the use of the cracked versions of Steam that are around.

    I speak about the steam-less installation - you never get connected to steam. There are (at least) two &quot;cracked&quot; versions around, one originally from a guy with an italian name (i forgot) based on a russian crack; the other one the so-called t****t-*1-steamless-fix. It works, but you need the game for installation (the other version is simply a crack with all files you need). That´s why I dare to talk about this kind of crack here (where even bp has a FL-No-CD-Crack <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> ). * replace letters/numbers

    Ooops - You DO have Steam installed. I was wrong then <font size=1 face="trebuchet ms"><BLOCKQUOTE><hr size=1 noshade> I ain´t payin´ through Steam, I can tell ye <hr size=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face=´trebuchet ms, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica´ size=2> I read here: &quot;I ain´t playin´ through Steam&quot;. Small difference in writing, big difference in meaning. Sorry. I thought you don´t want to install steam. Like me. But in this case it´s another story. Edited by - zazie on 10/12/2005 12:31:18 AM

    I was reading about copyrights today (to do with google and their google print idea, and their current legal problems leading to upcoming court cases), and one part stuck out. Even if you own the software etc, it is illegal to circumvent any anti copyright or anti-piracy measures put into place by the creators of the software. So using cracks for &quot;no cd´s&quot; is actually illegal - as is making them (obviously). This is also how the Xbox chipping was banned, because it circumvented anti piracy protection - regardless of whether the person then used it to play pirate games or completely legit - it was still illegal. Obviously though it is up to the creators of said software - Steam I imagine would be rather harsh, whereas others have proved to be less so. Edited by - Mike G on 10/12/2005 5:06:51 AM

    Zaz - I reimage regularly, but yes I use Steam when I wish to play HL2. I do not like it though, and I always prefer to purify my PC by imaging after I have finished playing it <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>. Chips - But what about that evil software known as &quot;StarForce&quot;? You know, that copy protection software that installs without a user´s consent? THAT is something that I feel is perfectly ethical to circumvent... if I were silly enough to buy a gme that used it of course <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.

    LMAO - I just posted about that in another thread after someone brought it up on the X forums again... Hmm, I have had the odd blue screen of death... but never whilst playing any X games. I used to get quite a few, but they disappeared after a sound card update was made available (when I say odd, I mean 1 per month or two). As for what it does... I am actually suprised that something like MS hasn´t implemented that kind of anti copy thing already in windows... I thought they had. Do I like it, well - as always - I haven´t tried to copy anything, but I would imagine its damned fustrating. If you uninstall the game -then it should uninstall as well, because you are wanting to remove any installed components of the game from your system. The fact that it doesn´t is rather disturbing. You should be able to remove an item without having to format (I know you can, but people mention you have to pay for the tool?). I´m still buying the game, because as I said, it doesn´t affect me, and I don´t harbour strong enough feelings to resist such a game - but rumour is that the reason Egosoft opened the downloads to the public was because of 64bit systems and starforce. It aint compatible, so they must use the no-cd patch to play the game. Interesting - hopefully starforce won´t be on X3 for this very reason <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Mike G on 10/13/2005 5:52:12 AM

    Anyone care to propose a &quot;fair and reasonable&quot; method of copyright protection so that authors of content are able to make money? <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

    Chips - Are you saying that X3 will use &quot;StarForce copyright protection&quot;? *Spits* There´s no way in hell I´m buying THAT game then. Hmm. On second thought, maybe I´ll buy it when the price drops to $40 or less and, more importantly, people develop cracks to disable StarForce <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>. Indy - Not me. I´m not going to waste my time by asserting the benefits of price reductions and customised cd-checking utilities <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>.

    As of yet there is no say so as to whether X3 will use Starforce in Europe . In the US, Australia - indeed, the rest of the world - it is a <i>different publisher </i> from Deep Silver. Those publishers do <i>not </i> use starforce at all - so an AU version of X3 will certainly not have Starforce. I may cancel my pre-order (its not gone gold, so I can do so) and get it from the US to avoid this. I also emailed Deep Silver to ask that they consider other copy protection methods due to the vast hatred there is against starforce, and asked why other such copy protections that are less invasive or disruptive aren´t already used. Doubt I´ll ever get a reply, but there was no loss in trying <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Mike G on 10/13/2005 11:07:24 PM