Truth comes crashing down...

i´ve been there and back, if you think your life is rough now try being in a hospital under 24/7 watch for thinking like that. it´s not worth it i´ve coped with being attacked, abused, picked on, and ignored, sure it shows on my attitude sometimes but i´ve pulled through, it´s been a year for me without death on my mind. my motto is life´s life you don´t have to like it but live it. everything from my health to my state of mind has improved since i got away from my dad. you can pull through to just try, get help now!

Ok, ten absolutely useless points to baked... *gets ghostgun and points it at demonslayer* I fail to see how your opinion helps, GOOD SIR! i will not commit suicide to get attention. WHAT FREAKING ATTENTION? ILL BE DEAD! how can i get attention if im dead? The one thing i cannot stand about this species as a whole is their instincitve response of ´get over it´ when confronted with another persons problem that they managed to get over much easier. To everyone esle, thanks for the advice. ive said it before, but i really to like this place, its more of a family that my actauly family is. Bear, Vi, Mike, Orillion, Zaz, Balthazar... Thanks... For the record, suicide is not cowardice, suicide is a final desperate act that is viewed as a last resort by the victim of incredible hardship as a last viable tactical action. look at the Forerunner from halo. they killed an entire galaxy in, dare i say it..., a SUICIDAL move, because they wanted the war with the flood to end. Cowards? say that to thier face.

Point the shotgun at yourself man, I´m not the crazy one here. Besides, it is attention. Why would you post on TLR if you didn´t want a bunch of people to know what you were going through. And I´m glad you didn´t kill youself, goes to show you aint a coward. Keep it up.

I will have you know that i posted on here so that i could be helped by people that i valued the opinions of, whom i value and trust. dont you DARE tell me what my actions are. dont you DARE. But it you want to wallow in your flawed opinion that i came here seeking attention, go ahead. if a man chooses to be blind, you cannot force him to see.

Exactly my point, and btw I can dare what ever the hell I want, and furthermore don´t tell me to wallow in myself when you´re the one so desperate that you would post on this for help.

Demonslayer, do the guy a favor and shut up. Seriuosly. STOP saying all this crap. I could care less what you people think of suicide. I just call it stupid myself, and have sworn not to do it. Running off into the woods would be better <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> HOWEVER, this thread is not for argueing about that suicide is. This thread is about helping a poor person get through what may be the toughest part of his life. Do not yell at him. Do not say he is a coward for considering suicide. Do not say &quot;People have it worse off than you&quot;. Why? Because it sure as hell doesn´t help his mood. Encourage him. Help him. Tell him what life is living for. You cannot call yourself humane if you critize someone like this. He is in need of help and support, not harsh comments. I have never been in such a situation, but i was getting in a sort of hopeless mood a few days ago, and only through the support of my friends did i manage to crash though the mental barrier. How can you bring yourself to say such things? Do you have any idea how DEGRADING your comments are at this stage of depression? When you are depressed, bad comments hurt twice as much. I congratulate him, for having the courage to keep posting here, and to respond to your horrid comments, and to keep living. It takes strength to do that.

Thank you blackhole, for putting in to words what i was trying to say. Arania, keep at the whole life thing. it´s strangely rewarding at the strangest times. -:- You wanna revolution?

You know demon, its people like you that made me like this. and frankly i know you dont care. ive given up trying to make sense of this world. it hates me. i know that much. and particularly enough if it hates me, and enjoyes watching my defeat, i can be bothered to fight something that big anymore. Call me a coward, for not facing this with all due duress, but id like to know if you have any BETTER IDEAS? APART FROM ´GET OVER IT!´ THAT IS!. call me an idot for feeling the way i do about this damn planet, but ai fail to see the choice. and unless it shows some inhumane compassion towards me, im going to be as good as dead in a few weeks anyway. And for your information, its a GHOSTgun. shotguns are puny blowdarts compared to this thing!

The heartlessness of some TLR members doesn´t surprise me. What these people cannot understand is that among the fact that their opinions on suicide are both unwelcome and irrelevant, they are also marred by their preconceptions of life. Preconceptions they stubbornly hold onto, as if their opinion is the leading authority on what is correct and what is not. Perhaps if they opened their eyes a little and looked beyond their personal reality they would be shocked to find a world outside of the one they know where differing ideas and opinions do not = automatically incorrect. The ulimate solution? Don´t have an opinion. As for you Arania (sp?), try my ideas out, try being as objective about everything in life as possible. Perhaps you will not take my advice, perhaps you will but will change back to the way you were once life improves (as it usually does), or perhaps you will take what I say seriously and get a deeper meaning from life by viewing it independantly of the smoke screen of emotion and opinion. If you ever want to chat, add me to MSN. My email addy is on my profile.

Arania, nice to see you back and - vivid <img src=smilies/icon_smile_wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> It´s good you are angry - sign of resistance and will. Ok, this might sound a little bit ´father-ish´ - but not ´Vader-ish´. Protest and insurrection are signs for the will of people to fight with their actual conditions of living. Go on <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> I think I´ll launch my sig once again <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> I don´t care a beep beep about my rank <img src=´http://www.cliparthome.de/smil…/starwars/starwars023.gif ´>

Today, I didn´t kill myself therefore I am not a coward! <img src=smilies/icon_smile_big.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Seriously, I strongly commend Balthazars advice, and in my own life I have reached much the same conclusions as him...consider it.

Well we can all argue over the courage required for suicide but I think we can all agree it´s pretty stupid. I know it´s a cliche but it´s a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If you feel you can take a moment and be as logical and objective as possible about it as Balthazar suggested you might hopefully come to the point I did. Find the things that worry you. Put it into context if you can. Take the problems that you can change, try and think through how you could change it, and there and then start to make those changes. The things you can´t change, you are going to HAVE to accept them one way or another. It´s tough, but you can learn to compensate for whatever challenges this poses. Remember, there are very, very few things out there that cannot be changed. Finally, what´s this stuff about being good as dead in a couple of weeks? Unburden it, it helps a lot more than keeping it to yourself, you´ll find it hard to think straight from stress and worry whereas by talking to someone about it they might be able to offer you some help and let you clear your head a bit.

OMG, this guy really thinks the world hates him. Hey, open your eyes and read what people are posting! Obviously someone does care if you kill yourself, including me. I pointed the things out the way they were, it may be a little harsh way to put it, but hell, I don´t want you to kill yourself. You can tough out life, and I know that much, so grab life by the arm and kick the **** out of it. You don´t have to put up with anyones **** and you shouldn´t have to. Hang in there is my advice. It will not get better soon, you´re not going to flash into a nice little home, but you gotta stick this **** out. You can´t give up and submit to some ****er girlfriend. There we be about 60000000 more! and you don´t have to kill yourself over a hard time your going through. I stand by my point, in some peoples eyes suicide is noble, or desperate, but it takes a true man to tough life out. So be a man, don´t give in, and for the love of god, don´t do anything stupid. Edited by - DemonSlayer on 9/14/2005 7:48:33 AM

Hi ... I´m reading anyway nice to see you´re still here, anyway if someones opinion gets you as hot as some seem too Ignore ´em. at least many seem to participate and after 3 pages of responces you at least have some reading material, look at the bright side several poster´s have now formed a philisophical debate involving several cultures traditions regarding the continuation of ones existance. Not that some of the members here need to much reason to start a debate lol <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> But honestly many do seem to care and many of the points brought up are quite valid to each of them, myself I enjoy the viewpoints your contribution has seemed to bring out and hope that things have progressed a little better for you. just keep posting Whether you spectate or participate, Life Happens <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Edited by - Amedeus on 9/14/2005 11:54:28 AM Edited by - Amedeus on 9/14/2005 12:02:12 PM

Hey, i´ve thought the world hates me oh... 8 times? And i´ve never even gotten seriuosly depressed. But enough of this. THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT SUICIDE IS COWERDICE OR BRAVERY. DROP THAT DISCUSSION <b> NOW </b>. This poor person is sitting here having to endure this? I commend him for lasting through this. It´s good to see that he is still here, and still alive. He needs support, and support does not come in sentances full of explicatives and exclamation marks. &quot;Sh!t Happens&quot; &lt;-- That is a good thing to keep in mind, because it is true. Life may suck, but the good moments are worth living for. Edited by - Blackhole2001 on 9/14/2005 1:25:46 PM

Damn Straight!

Um... at the risk of sounding very strange... I will offer my perspective. I have had a rather hard year myself, so I´ve been dealing with it. My advice is... go get a hobby. Mine are dancing every Friday and making really neat games for people, for example. Forget about your current issues by doing something entirely different for as long as it takes. Eventually, you will develop more perspective, and things won´t seem so bad. But don´t sit around collecting moss... on that path you will find nothing but more loneliness and stagnation, which is the last thing you need when you´re really, really down. Don´t worry about what you´re going to do- don´t procrastinate, don´t worry, don´t plan. Just do it. Build ships in bottles, draw something, fix your car, go for long walks in strange neighborhoods- whatever you have the slightest skill in... or pick something you´ve always been curious about. It doesn´t matter what age you are- boredom feeds bad moods, and action, especially creative action, can really help. Just go be productive and active, and if your home situation sucks... get out. I don´t know how old you are, but if you´re old enough to ride a bike, then you can go anywhere you want, and you´ll get into shape at the same time, which helps tremendously with the issue of girls- trust me <img src=smilies/icon_smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle>

Ah just wondering, what kind of skills do you need to take long walks in strange neighborhoods <img src=smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Besides survival skills that is.

these are just my opinions, and some may not be heeded, but anyway, Arania, good to see you back at your feet, now just to keep on moving. Make yourself strong against what comes, in other words, truth has all the boyancy of a piece of Uranium, so it will come sinking in with a regular interval. you know now how this feels, so you can arm yourself against the feeling. in my understanding, almost any advice from a person that doesn´t know what you are going through, is almost worthless, their words as such may hold little meaning, if it weren´t for their willingness to help, which absolves the uselessness (almost), as for Girls?? I really can´t be much of help, seeing im Gay, so if you want help on it, ask around, see if someone has had similar problems, and contact them personally for their experience, they can help you much better 1:1, then 20:1 I hope this settles it, I hope this advice was of any help, and I hope you can still enjoy your teen years